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Post by hoyalobby on Jul 21, 2015 8:54:33 GMT -5
Govan cannot be stoic like Big Mike was back in the day. He (and III) have to holler when he gets fouled, which will be often. Govan needs to take lessons from Coach Harrington. Othella made a career out of demonstrating the effects of any/all contact against him during his tenure with the Hoyas.
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Post by Thomas on Jul 21, 2015 9:01:20 GMT -5
Govan cannot be stoic like Big Mike was back in the day. He (and III) have to holler when he gets fouled, which will be often. What was that Esherick quote again? About people fouling Sweetney. I honestly forget. Wasn't it something like, "I Will Pay Any Referee In The Country To Come To Washington D.C. And Get Slapped Around To Feel What Mike Sweetney Goes Through Every Game." He also finished the rant with, "I Am Very Glad We Won This Game" in the same angry tone. I remember it was after a home game in which Tony Bethel hit a 3-pointer late in the game to give Georgetown a 3-point win.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 21, 2015 9:18:52 GMT -5
What was that Esherick quote again? About people fouling Sweetney. I honestly forget. Wasn't it something like, "I Will Pay Any Referee In The Country To Come To Washington D.C. And Get Slapped Around To Feel What Mike Sweetney Goes Through Every Game." He also finished the rant with, "I Am Very Glad We Won This Game" in the same angry tone. I remember it was after a home game in which Tony Bethel hit a 3-pointer late in the game to give Georgetown a 3-point win. www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/011303acj.html
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 21, 2015 9:19:04 GMT -5
Forgetting that era of Hoya hoops is probably better than remembering, other than the gifts of Hibbert and Green that he left us.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 21, 2015 9:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 21, 2015 11:04:39 GMT -5
No way all those guys see 30 mins a game. I say DSR and LJ are the only ones that do. If all of those guys get 30mins, we are playing with just those guys. Last season 9 guys played 13 minutes or more but only DSR was over 30, he played 34.4mpg last season which was probably too much.. I'd like to see that pattern again this season as well, if LJ plays 30 plus that may mean the team is either playing smaller or Tre isn't getting enough time.. Neither of those scenarios are good imo..
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jul 21, 2015 11:27:37 GMT -5
Reading the reports from the Kenner League gets the old juices flowing for the next year. This will probably be one of the most challenging coaching seasons for JT III. Unlike the previous recent seasons, when he did an outstanding job of coaching with less, now it seems that he has an abundance of riches to choose from off the bench. In prior years, a player's aptitude in adopting to his defense has inordinately affected his choices in allowing playing time. I don't think this should change as to who should start, but I hope that the players are given enough minutes to either warrant more time on the court or show why they do not warrant more time, I.e., successive defensive lapses. The abundance of riches problem is good if he can get them all to buy into the Kentucky model of last year. That is ,that the overall success of the team will produce more media and pro scout scrutiny of the team and its players ,such that a smaller sampling of a player's skill set will be scrutinized by more people each game. The China trip a few years back, got the players closer as a team. Hopefully, the Italy trip will do the same for this year's team. Good luck, JTIII.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 21, 2015 12:06:21 GMT -5
If the past is any indication, the rotational minutes will be largely governed by the players' (especially the freshmen) ability to defend both from a one-on-one and team perspective.
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Post by dense on Jul 21, 2015 12:16:46 GMT -5
No way all those guys see 30 mins a game. I say DSR and LJ are the only ones that do. If all of those guys get 30mins, we are playing with just those guys. Last season 9 guys played 13 minutes or more but only DSR was over 30, he played 34.4mpg last season which was probably too much.. I'd like to see that pattern again this season as well, if LJ plays 30 plus that may mean the team is either playing smaller or Tre isn't getting enough time.. Neither of those scenarios are good imo.. I don't think playing with Tre,DSR and LJ is necessarily a bad thing. it could be a great thing that our perimeter guys are uncheckable. Plus even if both are at say 32 mins a game. That's still 16 mins a game Tre would be playing Off the bench that's alot.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 21, 2015 13:11:09 GMT -5
Last season 9 guys played 13 minutes or more but only DSR was over 30, he played 34.4mpg last season which was probably too much.. I'd like to see that pattern again this season as well, if LJ plays 30 plus that may mean the team is either playing smaller or Tre isn't getting enough time.. Neither of those scenarios are good imo.. I don't think playing with Tre,DSR and LJ is necessarily a bad thing. it could be a great thing that our perimeter guys are uncheckable. Plus even if both are at say 32 mins a game. That's still 16 mins a game Tre would be playing Off the bench that's alot. I'm an offense 1st fan but that lineup would have a hard time on the glass imo.. Plus LJ has to show that he can shoot at least in the low 30's from 3 in order for opponents to play him closer to open up his drive game in the half court.. Considering Tre basically played 14mpg last season(13.7) and considering he shot 41% in conference play from 3, I would like to see him get more than a 2 minute increase in playing time this coming season.. I think he should be in the 20-22 range.. I think LJ should be around 25-27 & DSR around 30..
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Jul 21, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
In meaningful, competitive games I think the breakdown will be something like this: DSR 34 min Isaac 30 min Peak 26 min Tre 26 min Paul 24 min
This will not be season averages but III likes to go to guys he can trust (although I still say DSR and Cope may have these averages). No idea how the 40 min at the 5 spot are broken up and how the remaining 20 min above are split at the 3/4 as there are too many unknowns at this point
* this is not a lineup just guessing how minutes between DSR and soph are broken up
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Post by hoyabinx on Jul 21, 2015 13:34:44 GMT -5
I don't think playing with Tre,DSR and LJ is necessarily a bad thing. it could be a great thing that our perimeter guys are uncheckable. Plus even if both are at say 32 mins a game. That's still 16 mins a game Tre would be playing Off the bench that's alot. I'm an offense 1st fan but that lineup would have a hard time on the glass imo.. Plus LJ has to show that he can shoot at least in the low 30's from 3 in order for opponents to play him closer to open up his drive game in the half court.. Considering Tre basically played 14mpg last season(13.7) and considering he shot 41% in conference play from 3, I would like to see him get more than a 2 minute increase in playing time this coming season.. I think he should be in the 20-22 range.. I think LJ should be around 25-27 & DSR around 30.. There are 80 minutes of time at the 1-guard and 2-guard. I see something like DSR at 30, Peak at 25, and Tre at 25 with Peak picking up a few more minutes at the forward position when all 3 play at the same time. I speculate the following: Guards (80): DSR (30); Peak (25); Tre (25) Forwards (80): Copeland (30); White (25) Derrickson (15); Mourning/Cameron (10) Center/Forward (40): Govan (20); Agau (15); Hayes (5)
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Jul 21, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5
I'm an offense 1st fan but that lineup would have a hard time on the glass imo.. Plus LJ has to show that he can shoot at least in the low 30's from 3 in order for opponents to play him closer to open up his drive game in the half court.. Considering Tre basically played 14mpg last season(13.7) and considering he shot 41% in conference play from 3, I would like to see him get more than a 2 minute increase in playing time this coming season.. I think he should be in the 20-22 range.. I think LJ should be around 25-27 & DSR around 30.. There are 80 minutes of time at the 1-guard and 2-guard. I see something like DSR at 30, Peak at 25, and Tre at 25 with Peak picking up a few more minutes at the forward position when all 3 play at the same time. I speculate the following: Guards (80): DSR (30); Peak (25); Tre (25) Forwards (80): Copeland (30); White (25) Derrickson (15); Mourning/Cameron (10) Center/Forward (40): Govan (20); Agau (15); Hayes (5) I would agree with that; any chance Kaleb takes the 10 minutes from Trey/Reggie? Haven't seen him yet but sounds impressive from the recaps
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Post by calhoya on Jul 21, 2015 14:17:52 GMT -5
I too am excited by the talent on this year's team. However, fans should keep remembering that this talent is still more potential than production and there will be growing pains across the board, for just about everyone not named DSR. I think that patience will be critical, particularly early when the Hoyas play some heavyweights with experience, like the Terps.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 21, 2015 15:22:17 GMT -5
AYoungins looking good NO MORE INJURIES not sure whats with dsr sitting while in the gym OG HOYAS KENNER THEN ITALY then a brutal ooc early schedule MARYLAND WILL BE A MONSTER slay the dragon. David and Goliath go hoyas
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Post by dense on Jul 21, 2015 16:34:01 GMT -5
I don't think you guys are realizing how much time 10 minutes is. Doesn't seem like alot but it is. If you played 5 minutes a half you are a significant back up. I think we will have a bunch of guys grouped in that 15-25 range like Tre, Paul, Jessie, Derrickson. After that I really see only spot minutes for everyone else just under 10 minutes. Agau, and Hayes on the high end. Cameron and Johnson and Mourning on the low end.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 21, 2015 17:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:47:28 GMT -5
I too am excited by the talent on this year's team. However, fans should keep remembering that this talent is still more potential than production and there will be growing pains across the board, for just about everyone not named DSR. I think that patience will be critical, particularly early when the Hoyas play some heavyweights with experience, like the Terps. This.....production is what counts not potential. The reality is 8 out of our top 10 rotation players are sophs and freshman and we have only one proven scorer returning.... It will be a struggle at times just hoping everything starts clicking towards the end of the season
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 21, 2015 18:56:00 GMT -5
I too am excited by the talent on this year's team. However, fans should keep remembering that this talent is still more potential than production and there will be growing pains across the board, for just about everyone not named DSR. I think that patience will be critical, particularly early when the Hoyas play some heavyweights with experience, like the T werps. Corrected.
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Post by dense on Jul 22, 2015 11:33:16 GMT -5
I too am excited by the talent on this year's team. However, fans should keep remembering that this talent is still more potential than production and there will be growing pains across the board, for just about everyone not named DSR. I think that patience will be critical, particularly early when the Hoyas play some heavyweights with experience, like the Terps. This.....production is what counts not potential. The reality is 8 out of our top 10 rotation players are sophs and freshman and we have only one proven scorer returning.... It will be a struggle at times just hoping everything starts clicking towards the end of the season Yeah I think this year early we will win a couple of tough games and maybe drop one we weren't expecting. During conference time I hope we are rolling thru it pretty easily, Govan by that time should be an unstoppable force 1v1 and it should open up everyone to be able to drive Especially helping LJ because there won't be a big guy just parked in the lane anymore.
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