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Post by This Just In on Apr 28, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
With the curfew in place tonight from 10pm to 5pm, the City of Baltimore may have seen the last of the riots...until a decision is made to charge or not the 2 police officers involved.
Also Freddy Gray's case is disturbing, 80% of his spine separated from his neck and a crushed voice box....how does this happen in police custody?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2015 18:09:34 GMT -5
With the curfew in place tonight from 10pm to 5pm, the City of Baltimore may have seen the last of the riots...until a decision is made to charge or not the 2 police officers involved. Also Freddy Gray's case is disturbing, 80% of his spine separated from his neck and a crushed voice box....how does this happen in police custody? Sounds like that police force has a history of taking arrested persons on rough rides.
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Post by blueeagle on Apr 28, 2015 18:57:59 GMT -5
Based on reports of the diagnostic images of Mr. Gray's injuries, it is very difficult to explain the nature of how he was injured other than to say that it was violent and severe.
After hearing the initial press reports of the laryngeal and cervical damage, my firsts impression was that such injuries are typically seen in deaths by hanging. The images and the circumstances seem to suggest something else happened.
Many communities in Baltimore are picking up the pieces and are cleaning up the mess without city or state support or funding. . Regular folks just deciding that we will clean this mess up ourselves because this is who we are as a city. Very uplifting to see Baltimoreans come together and refusing to act as passive victims.
The situation remains fluid. Hoping for restraint and prudence.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 29, 2015 7:32:44 GMT -5
With the curfew in place tonight from 10pm to 5pm, the City of Baltimore may have seen the last of the riots...until a decision is made to charge or not the 2 police officers involved. Also Freddy Gray's case is disturbing, 80% of his spine separated from his neck and a crushed voice box....how does this happen in police custody? Sounds like that police force has a history of taking arrested persons on rough rides. Can you define/explain what a "rough ride" means?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 29, 2015 7:40:24 GMT -5
Sounds like that police force has a history of taking arrested persons on rough rides. Can you define/explain what a "rough ride" means? The Baltimore Sun reports that the city's police department has been sued before over "rough rides": when a police van is driven recklessly, injuring detainees in the back who are often wearing handcuffs but not seat belts.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 29, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by This Just In on Apr 30, 2015 7:20:58 GMT -5
Apparently there is a 2nd prisoner who was in the van too and states that Eddie Gray was intentionally trying to bang his head against the wall of the van in an effort to injure himself. This aforementioned information is being reported by the Washington Post and Fox News.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 30, 2015 8:03:19 GMT -5
Apparently there is a 2nd prisoner who was in the van too and states that Eddie Gray was intentionally trying to bang his head against the wall of the van in an effort to injure himself. This aforementioned information is being reported by the Washington Post and Fox News. Just to cover that bit of " information" a little bit more thoroughly, here's some context. "The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate's safety.
The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner's version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe."------------ Let's remember the initial police report said Gray was arrested without force or incident - Of course, that was before cell phone video footage of the actual arrest showed up. The injuries in question were: Gray, 25, died last Sunday after suffering a broken neck and injured voice box. (is this latest claim attempting to suggest Gray broke his own neck and crushed his own larynx? He was also shackled and handcuffed before being placed in the van - without a seatbelt, which directly contravenes Baltimore PD policy. Here's a little more detail: Batts [Police Commissioner] confirmed that Gray, who was in leg irons, was not wearing a seatbelt in the vehicle as required by the department’s policy. “There are no excuses for that. Period,” he said. Past prisoners in Baltimore have died from injuries sustained when they were thrown around the back of police vehicles due to fast or erratic driving and abrupt stops.
The police commissioner reiterated that his officers “failed to get medical attention” for Gray despite his requests for an asthma inhaler and other complaints. Batts said medics should have been called to the scene of Gray’s arrest.
Davis said Gray said he needed a medic during a third stop by the van, made to pick up a second prisoner, but an ambulance was not called until 25 minutes later, after the vehicle arrived at police headquarters. Batts told reporters that during the third stop, officers “picked him up off the floor and placed him on a seat”.
Batts said on Thursday that the second prisoner, who was separated from Gray by a metal wall, told investigators that Gray was “was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises” until the van arrived at the station. Police are declining to identify the man due to his status as a witness in the criminal inquiry.Excerpts from:www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/25/freddie-gray-police-backtrack-over-possible-explanation-for-deathThe "second prisoner" was not picked up until the THIRD stop by the van, at which point Gray already needed medical attention, and had been shackled and cuffed - but not seatbelted - against Dept. policy. In short, the report credited to an anonymous prisoner who was not picked up until the third stop after Freddie Gray was already in the van, and who - at any rate - was in a separate compartment within the van and could not even see Gray seems highly dubious at best. Even then, it would simply be after the fact conjecture. On the other hand, we have the police totally backtracking their original arrest report, on the way Gray was transported, and we still have on of the six suspended officers refusing to talk: Batts confirmed to the Guardian on Friday that one of the officers was declining to speak with investigators, citing their constitutional rights.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 30, 2015 8:11:14 GMT -5
Apparently there is a 2nd prisoner who was in the van too and states that Eddie Gray was intentionally trying to bang his head against the wall of the van in an effort to injure himself. This aforementioned information is being reported by the Washington Post and Fox News. TJI, the problem with what you've posted is that the story actually reads: The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. Thus, it would be pure conjecture to say he was banging his head against anything.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 30, 2015 8:18:15 GMT -5
Here's an interesting perspective on Baltimore policing from David Simon, former reporter who covered the police beat in Charm City and created the HBO series' The Corner and The Wire -- dare I say a very good read: "Probable cause from a Baltimore police officer has always been a tenuous thing. It’s a tenuous thing anywhere, but in Baltimore, in these high crime, heavily policed areas, it was even worse. When I came on, there were jokes about, “You know what probable cause is on Edmondson Avenue? You roll by in your radio car and the guy looks at you for two seconds too long.” Probable cause was whatever you thought you could safely lie about when you got into district court."www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share-tools&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=post-top
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Post by This Just In on Apr 30, 2015 8:38:40 GMT -5
Apparently there is a 2nd prisoner who was in the van too and states that Eddie Gray was intentionally trying to bang his head against the wall of the van in an effort to injure himself. This aforementioned information is being reported by the Washington Post and Fox News. TJI, the problem with what you've posted is that the story actually reads: The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. Thus, it would be pure conjecture to say he was banging his head against anything. I understand what you are saying...I was just reporting what was breaking on Fox News via Megyn Kelly's 9pm show and reiterated on Sean Hannity's 10pm show.
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Post by deacon on Apr 30, 2015 10:11:53 GMT -5
The question should be have we seen the last of Baltimore police arresting civilians for simply running away and having them die of injuries sustained in police custody?
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Post by deacon on Apr 30, 2015 10:15:51 GMT -5
TJI, the problem with what you've posted is that the story actually reads: The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. Thus, it would be pure conjecture to say he was banging his head against anything. I understand what you are saying...I was just reporting what was breaking on Fox News via Megyn Kelly's 9pm show and reiterated on Sean Hannity's 10pm show. LOL, Fox News? This network? www.facebook.com/benjaminjhancock/videos/10153188750410590
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 30, 2015 10:19:41 GMT -5
Yeah, and the LOL Washington Post as well. Not saying I believe it, but not exactly "birds of a feather".
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 30, 2015 16:01:13 GMT -5
Police Report delivered to State Prosecutors -- guess what! That police van carrying Freddie Gray? It made a previously undisclosed additional stop. Hmmmm. ----------------- Excerpts
BALTIMORE — Completing their initial investigation into the fatal injury sustained by a young man in their custody, the Baltimore police on Thursday gave state prosecutors their findings, including the discovery that a police van carrying the man made a previously undisclosed stop en route to a police station.
The new stop turned up on video taken from “a privately owned camera,” the deputy police commissioner, Kevin Davis, said, and it was “previously unknown to us.” That suggested that the officers involved had not told investigators about it....
Officials had previously said that the van had made three stops before reaching the station, including one to put leg restraints on Mr. Gray, who was described as being unruly, and one to pick up another prisoner. But Mr. Davis said there was another stop, at Fremont Avenue and Mosher Street, less than a mile southeast of where he was arrested.
www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/baltimore-protests-freddie-gray.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news --------------
Anyone care to wager a guess as to why the police involved reported only three stops instead of four? The same cops who originally reported Gray was arrested without force or incident? Personally, I'm a lot more interested in those issues than a supposed report from another prisoner in a separate part of the van for the last leg of the ride, and who couldn't see anything from his location behind a steel wall.
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Post by quickplay on Apr 30, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -5
I'm sure they were about to report that last stop even if the camera didn't catch it...
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Post by This Just In on May 1, 2015 7:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on May 1, 2015 10:27:02 GMT -5
Gray's Death Ruled Homicidenypost.com/2015/05/01/cops-to-be-charged-in-freddie-gray-homicide/ExcerptsBaltimore’s top prosecutor said Friday she has found probable cause to charge six cops in the killing of Freddie Gray, the black man whose death in police custody sparked widespread protests and rioting.
State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby made the stunning announcement – which drew cheers from onlookers – after receiving the medical examiner report, which classified Gray’s death as a homicide.
Gray, she said, was carrying a legal folding knife, not a switchblade as cops had reported, when he was arrested April 12, and there was no probable cause for his arrest. Cops after chasing him down put him in a police wagon without a seatbelt – and ignored him during a series of stops despite the fact that he had suffered a serious injury and was in distress.
He died, she said, after striking his neck while he was both handcuffed and shackled at the legs.nypost.com/2015/05/01/cops-to-be-charged-in-freddie-gray-homicide/------------ Without cellphone videos taken by bystanders, would the SC "shot in the back" incident, or the Freddie Gray incident, have resulted in charges? Even with video, the cops in the Eric Garner case were not charged. Nonetheless, cellphone video seems to be a game changer. Of course, not every incident will be caught on video. But the more that are, the more cautious the police are likely to be. Add to that, the increasing scrutiny of the police and the rising public awareness? Maybe the "good cops" will demand their unions put more emphasis on representing them and less on protecting bad cops. Given the number of instances from locations all around the country, perhaps the benefit of the doubt enjoyed by the police will be lessened and the expectations of them will be raised. Of course we need honest and competent law enforcement. And there also has to be trust between the police and the citizens, no matter what city/town/rural area and state, no matter the neighborhood, income level, gender, race, age...whatever. We all know the cops have a highly stressful job. They deal with crime every day and see the ugly side of human behavior far more than most of us. Still, we need to raise our collective expectations of them. If that takes more training, education, accountability and even mental health/stress relief programs for the cops themselves, we as a society need to do it.
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Post by Elvado on May 1, 2015 10:33:41 GMT -5
Charges will be brought. Court proceedings will ensue. Last I checked this was the criminal justice system.
As for whether the riots are gone, that will, unfortunately, be determined by the outcome of this case.
Whereas in Ferguson and Staten Island, no charges were brought, here I fear the only thing that forestalls further unrest is a conviction or guilty plea .
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Post by quickplay on May 1, 2015 11:19:37 GMT -5
Charges will be brought. Court proceedings will ensue. Last I checked this was the criminal justice system. As for whether the riots are gone, that will, unfortunately, be determined by the outcome of this case. Whereas in Ferguson and Staten Island, no charges were brought, here I fear the only thing that forestalls further unrest is a conviction or guilty plea . I don't think it's fair to characterize these issues as people ready to riot unless they get a guilty plea. "Last you checked," did you notice the criminal Justice system has been misused to protect the police after the police cover up and lie about these abuses and murders in the first place? Six cops kill a guy they had no right to arrest, lie about it, cover, lie again, get caught by cameras they weren't aware of (kind of a pattern). It's not angry mobs needing to be placated. The issue is the rampant violence, abuse, and corruption within our police departments, and DA's offices willingness to cover it up. I fear that the only thing that will forestall further unrest is for our police to stop killing and abusing people.
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