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Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2015 17:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 15, 2015 17:49:53 GMT -5
I see that the comments section for the Georgetowner article is disabled. Surely a coincidence. I'm sure they'd love to get some feedback from us.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 15, 2015 17:54:58 GMT -5
I see that the comments section for the Georgetowner article is disabled. Surely a coincidence. I'm sure they'd love to get some feedback from us. But that is only "temporary," like Feinstein's insanity.
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Post by gutuna on Apr 15, 2015 18:06:36 GMT -5
Disclose your bias in the last paragraph. Like a good spin doctor.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 15, 2015 18:58:04 GMT -5
I see that the comments section for the Georgetowner article is disabled. Surely a coincidence. I'm sure they'd love to get some feedback from us. But that is only "temporary," like Feinstein's insanity. Too many letters. You meant "inanity".
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Post by TC on Apr 15, 2015 19:35:11 GMT -5
Even though the author is acting like a four year old taunting someone by making chicken noises, I do like that he's complaining that Georgetown won't play GWU, not Maryland.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2015 21:22:50 GMT -5
Is he talking about the "rivalry" that the GW staff put an end to in the 80's? That GW?
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Post by Hoyaholic on Apr 15, 2015 21:23:49 GMT -5
It's a terrible column, but his message is exactly right. The fact that we don't play GW due to our "superiority" complex is embarrassing. Admit it - you rooted for Wichita State against Kansas for the very same reason.
We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2015 21:37:20 GMT -5
It's a terrible column, but his message is exactly right. The fact that we don't play GW due to our "superiority" complex is embarrassing. Admit it - you rooted for Wichita State against Kansas for the very same reason. We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy. Again, GW ended the "rivalry" and, while it's fine to have the view that a renewal of that might be a good thing "for the city", most years, we can do better than having them on the schedule. GW, historically, is just not very good at basketball. With a limited OOC schedule, I'd rather see the Hoyas play teams that are consistent tournament teams and teams that have a history of tournament success. I don't think it's a superiority thing at this point. I think we need as strong of a schedule as possible and GW doesn't usually fit that need.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 15, 2015 21:57:44 GMT -5
But that is only "temporary," like Feinstein's insanity. Too many letters. You meant "inanity". Well, that is permanent.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 15, 2015 22:36:44 GMT -5
Too many letters. You meant "inanity". Well, that is permanent. Well played.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 15, 2015 22:39:25 GMT -5
It's a terrible column, but his message is exactly right. The fact that we don't play GW due to our "superiority" complex is embarrassing. Admit it - you rooted for Wichita State against Kansas for the very same reason. We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy. I think playing a more high-profile national team would generate a lot more citywide excitement. And I agree that it is embarrassing. So, GW should put a better product on the floor that wouldn't embarrass their fans as much, and might actually draw interest more than a half mile away from DC. Then, perhaps a game might work out.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2015 23:44:42 GMT -5
It's a terrible column, but his message is exactly right. The fact that we don't play GW due to our "superiority" complex is embarrassing. Admit it - you rooted for Wichita State against Kansas for the very same reason. We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy. City-wide excitement from playing WG? That's funny.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 16, 2015 5:59:08 GMT -5
, Likewise - if we can't have fun at Feinstein expense, what have we ecome?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 16, 2015 7:25:09 GMT -5
We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy. Agree with KC. I'm all for a series but there won't be much city-wide interest in a series. GW has never built a city base of support and its attendance (3,397 a game) isn't what it could be. The last Georgetown game with American drew 9,867 in 2012. Howard drew 8,120 in 2011. The last game in the GW series drew 8,695 to Capital Centre. Given the decline in the Georgetown ticket base, that's probably about the range where it would draw today.\ On a side note: where is Plotkin's or Feinstein's outrage about a lack of a series with George Mason? Hoyas played in Fairfax in the 1985-86 season and that was it.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 16, 2015 7:59:44 GMT -5
We are in an era where interest in, and attendance at, Georgetown basketball is steadily dropping every year. It is absolutely indefensible not to play a game that would generate city-wide excitement. It's bad form, and it's terrible business strategy. Agree with KC. I'm all for a series but there won't be much city-wide interest in a series. GW has never built a city base of support and its attendance (3,397 a game) isn't what it could be. The last Georgetown game with American drew 9,867 in 2012. Howard drew 8,120 in 2011. The last game in the GW series drew 8,695 to Capital Centre. Given the decline in the Georgetown ticket base, that's probably about the range where it would draw today.\ On a side note: where is Plotkin's or Feinstein's outrage about a lack of a series with George Mason? Hoyas played in Fairfax in the 1985-86 season and that was it. I think you're greatly underestimating the safety school/little brother inferiority complex that permeates the air in Foggy Bottom. GW alums who don't give a hippo's butt about the Colonials would absolutely come out to watch them play Georgetown. On a Saturday at noon... well, it might not sell out Verizon, but it'd be over 16,000 for sure, especially if they had an allotment for their students. The scheduling argument never made much sense to me - it's not really a downgrade to play GW in place of a guarantee game with the likes of Texas A&M Corpus-Christi, Towson, or Radford. I don't know how much we pay those schools to come and take their beating before sparsely attended crowds at Historic Phone Booth Arena, but GW will gladly do it for free. Comparisons with AU and Howard and George Mason are inapt for a variety of reasons that I don't think we have to get into.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 16, 2015 8:28:02 GMT -5
Agree with KC. I'm all for a series but there won't be much city-wide interest in a series. GW has never built a city base of support and its attendance (3,397 a game) isn't what it could be. The last Georgetown game with American drew 9,867 in 2012. Howard drew 8,120 in 2011. The last game in the GW series drew 8,695 to Capital Centre. Given the decline in the Georgetown ticket base, that's probably about the range where it would draw today.\ On a side note: where is Plotkin's or Feinstein's outrage about a lack of a series with George Mason? Hoyas played in Fairfax in the 1985-86 season and that was it. I think you're greatly underestimating the safety school/little brother inferiority complex that permeates the air in Foggy Bottom. GW alums who don't give a hippo's butt about the Colonials would absolutely come out to watch them play Georgetown. On a Saturday at noon... well, it might not sell out Verizon, but it'd be over 16,000 for sure, especially if they had an allotment for their students. The scheduling argument never made much sense to me - it's not really a downgrade to play GW in place of a guarantee game with the likes of Texas A&M Corpus-Christi, Towson, or Radford. I don't know how much we pay those schools to come and take their beating before sparsely attended crowds at Historic Phone Booth Arena, but GW will gladly do it for free. Comparisons with AU and Howard and George Mason are inapt for a variety of reasons that I don't think we have to get into. I guess my first reaction is that from a local rivalry perspective, I'd rather we play the Terps (and I understand that likely will happen next year). Now THAT'S a game with full regional -- and national -- interest. If you have to choose among local games, that's the choice -- every time. In general, I'm in favor of something between what we do now and what the Big 5 does. It's not productive for nearly every non-cupcake OOC game to be against a local team -- and that's what happens to Nova -- but I'd absolutely be in favor of playing MD every year, alternating between GW and GMU each year (but never playing away), and alternating between Howard/AU every year. I think I've written this before, but if you wanted to, you could set it up to have doubleheaders featuring local teams on weekend nights with all the local teams playing three total games. Or, we could just play the low majors and mid majors at home every time and alternate with MD. Three games of local interest every year seems about right (especially if one is a cupcake game anyway).
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Post by puppydog100 on Apr 16, 2015 8:46:50 GMT -5
Instead, let's book another home game against New Jersey Institute of Technology, now there's a big draw.
Play GWU and Maryland, bigger draw, and no travel costs for home and home series.
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Post by puppydog100 on Apr 16, 2015 8:59:41 GMT -5
Last two years, GU played St. Francis, Robert Morris, Townson, Radford, Lipscomb, High Point, Elon and FIU. If you want to upgrade, I'd swap out GWU, Maryland and Mason for any of these dogs.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 16, 2015 9:09:17 GMT -5
Last two years, GU played St. Francis, Robert Morris, Townson, Radford, Lipscomb, High Point, Elon and FIU. If you want to upgrade, I'd swap out GWU, Maryland and Mason for any of these dogs. I don't want to upgrade. We already consistently have one of the most difficult schedules in the country. There's no need for it to be more difficult. Indeed, making it much more difficult would be counterproductive. We're already playing two of Wisc./Duke/VCU, at UNC-C, at UConn, Syracuse, and presumably Maryland. To get the Duke tournament, we have to play Siena at home. That leaves three or four games, and I'd want them to be reasonably winnable games. But I'm happy to replace one of those "dogs" you mention with either Howard or American every year and have that be one of the three or four. And I'm happy to play GW or Mason instead of, say, UNC-C (on this and next year's schedule) or a Mount Saint Mary's or Towson (teams on the 2013 schedule that finished that year with rankings roughly akin to GWU's average ranking). As noted, I'm all for playing GW or GMU, but it's a fallacy that they'd be an upgrade. Last year, in terms of an upgrade through GMU, you'd have to have swapped Mason for Towson to get one. And even then, Mason would would have been the worst team on our schedule! They've been a "dog" two of the last three years -- just as much (or moreso) than any of the teams you mention. GW has been better the past two years, but they were a "dog" akin to those other teams for a number of years before that. Neither is really an updgrade on a consistent basis over the teams we've been playing.
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