hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 24, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -5
I'm with you Hoyalove. It seems like the fanbase wants to make Utah better than they are to feel better about the loss. We should have won the game. Once again our star player didn't come up big when we needed him the most. In order to win in the tourney you need two players to play at a high level each game. DSR has to be one of our two for us to go far in a tournament. Vegas, RPI, and the year-long rankings disagree. Not that they are the be-all-and-end-all, but what do you have to support your position that we were the better team and should have won? I am going by the eye test exclusively. Utah entered the ranks wk 6. They went from unranked to #14. When we made our dedut in the rankings I think it was 23 or 24. When you come in at 14 you can lose one game to Xavier and maintain your top 25. Early in the year they were playing well but from midseason to their conference tourney they were okay to good at best. We have been playing better than Utah from midseason until now. I'm not saying that DSR was our only reason for losing but he can't be shutdown in that game. He needs to outplay his averages.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 24, 2015 12:17:41 GMT -5
Nobody has gotten more run out of being in Portland than our guy Larry. Not trying to be that guy, but if he's going to be a Edited and make a stupid point, I'll call him out on it. Some people are fully capable of being "that guy" without trying. There was no travel. If your position is that you saw it live better than the camera angle from about 4 feet away, why aren't you the one telling us where your seats were? If they weren't "under the basket stanchion" or "in DSR's jock" there is no way you saw it better than we did on TV. They had a direct angle of DSR's feet as the Utah big guy went up over him and came down on top of him. I might have by pants waiting for a 250 pound Mormon to land on my head, but DSR didn't budge. The call was HORRENDOUS, absolutely abominable.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 24, 2015 17:07:34 GMT -5
Amen, plus the following: -- Here's a bit of trivia for you. You know who this board was pushing as a replacement for Esh? Joe Scott, who was coaching Air Force at the time. He eventually replaced JTIII at Princeton, stayed two years (posting a sterling 11-19 record in year two), then hopped the first train to the University of Denver. Fran Dunphy's name was also thrown around -- he's done okay at Temple but there is no reason to believe he would have done better than JTIII at Georgetown. The idea that the grass is always greener is wrong -- ask Seton Hall, St. John's, Boston College etc. Look how long Providence struggled before Cooley got there. There are many more examples of this throughout Division I. The board was not "pushing" for Joe Scott and Dunphy. Rather, the board reported (correctly) that each was contacted by the University during the search. OK, but my recollection is that folks thought Scott was viable -- his name seemed to come up a lot. Interesting that GU talked to both of them, I was under the impression that Dawkins was the only other candidate who got a serious look. Shifting to something completely unrelated, St. John's has been paying Gene Keady $350K to look cranky on SJU's bench. The buzz up there is that gross overcompensation of Lavin's assistants is one of the reasons he may be on the ropes. There is some fear that the SJU brass will go full cost-cut and hire Zendon Hamilton.
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Post by Filo on Mar 24, 2015 17:32:25 GMT -5
Not trying to be that guy, but if he's going to be a Edited and make a stupid point, I'll call him out on it. Some people are fully capable of being "that guy" without trying. There was no travel. If your position is that you saw it live better than the camera angle from about 4 feet away, why aren't you the one telling us where your seats were? If they weren't "under the basket stanchion" or "in DSR's jock" there is no way you saw it better than we did on TV. They had a direct angle of DSR's feet as the Utah big guy went up over him and came down on top of him. I might have Edited by pants waiting for a 250 pound Mormon to land on my head, but DSR didn't budge. The call was HORRENDOUS, absolutely abominable. This is getting funny now. Back in my college drinking-game days we would call this a "false acc."
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Post by kchoya on Mar 24, 2015 18:10:09 GMT -5
Not trying to be that guy, but if he's going to be a Edited and make a stupid point, I'll call him out on it. Some people are fully capable of being "that guy" without trying. There was no travel. If your position is that you saw it live better than the camera angle from about 4 feet away, why aren't you the one telling us where your seats were? If they weren't "under the basket stanchion" or "in DSR's jock" there is no way you saw it better than we did on TV. They had a direct angle of DSR's feet as the Utah big guy went up over him and came down on top of him. I might have Edited by pants waiting for a 250 pound Mormon to land on my head, but DSR didn't budge. The call was HORRENDOUS, absolutely abominable. Your post is confusing - I'm not sure to whom you are responding. My argument with hoyalove4ever was based on his criticism of JT3's reaction to the non-call on the alleged traveling. Hoyalove4ever said JT3 didn't react sufficiently. I countered that I was at the game and I saw JT3's reaction (and it was plenty forceful). There was no discussion of whether traveling should've been called.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 24, 2015 21:19:07 GMT -5
Some people are fully capable of being "that guy" without trying. There was no travel. If your position is that you saw it live better than the camera angle from about 4 feet away, why aren't you the one telling us where your seats were? If they weren't "under the basket stanchion" or "in DSR's jock" there is no way you saw it better than we did on TV. They had a direct angle of DSR's feet as the Utah big guy went up over him and came down on top of him. I might have Edited by pants waiting for a 250 pound Mormon to land on my head, but DSR didn't budge. The call was HORRENDOUS, absolutely abominable. Your post is confusing - I'm not sure to whom you are responding. My argument with hoyalove4ever was based on his criticism of JT3's reaction to the non-call on the alleged traveling. Hoyalove4ever said JT3 didn't react sufficiently. I countered that I was at the game and I saw JT3's reaction (and it was plenty forceful). There was no discussion of whether traveling should've been called. Knock yourselves out and learn a foreign language while you're at it: (1:06:40 should do it).
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2015 0:20:46 GMT -5
Your post is confusing - I'm not sure to whom you are responding. My argument with hoyalove4ever was based on his criticism of JT3's reaction to the non-call on the alleged traveling. Hoyalove4ever said JT3 didn't react sufficiently. I countered that I was at the game and I saw JT3's reaction (and it was plenty forceful). There was no discussion of whether traveling should've been called. Knock yourselves out and learn a foreign language while you're at it: (1:06:40 should do it). I ran that through Google Translate, and you can hear the announcer saying "John Thompson, what a weak reaction" right after that traveling call. I guess hoyalove4ever was right.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 25, 2015 7:36:15 GMT -5
Knock yourselves out and learn a foreign language while you're at it: (1:06:40 should do it). I ran that through Google Translate, and you can hear the announcer saying "John Thompson, what a weak reaction" right after that traveling call. I guess hoyalove4ever was right. Huh. I'm sorry I watched. His right foot (which was clearly his pivot foot) definitely shuffled forward before the contact came. Not a lot, but noticeably. (Oh, and I watched the Trawick block replay, which is the next play, and it sure looks like he got the guy hard in the head, even though he blocked the shot cleanly.) I'm going to pretend I never watched the replay and continue into history believing those were abysmal, game-changing calls. OK, feel free to continue arguing about JTIII's reaction to said abysmal call....
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 25, 2015 8:34:41 GMT -5
I have watched the replay repeatedly; it is still clear he did not travel, but rather was fouled.
I am not sure why my comments caused any debate, as they were very favorable to JT III. I just wish he would have hounded the refs more (perhaps "forceful" is in the eye of the beholder) for that horrible call, but it is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 25, 2015 11:01:42 GMT -5
I have watched the replay repeatedly; it is still clear he did not travel, but rather was fouled. I am not sure why my comments caused any debate, as they were very favorable to JT III. I just wish he would have hounded the refs more (perhaps "forceful" is in the eye of the beholder) for that horrible call, but it is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I agree with the premise that he was fouled. Unfortunately he did travel too (while two guys were jumping on his back) and that is what they called.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 25, 2015 13:00:36 GMT -5
On a side note I have see that play run for years now with Walls,Wright, Markel, and DSR where the guard ends up under the basket after getting a pick set, with the ball. Most of the time one or more 6'9" or more big man is there with him. I say each time I see that, Why? Other than faking the guy or guys off his feet and drawing the foul, there is just not much the 6'2" guard with minimal lift can do in that spot. I am sure I have seen it work successfully,but most of the time I remember the guard getting snuffed by the big men. Is the play designed to have taller guards (6'6" and above) receive the ball under the basket and it just so happens the Hoya have not had such?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 25, 2015 13:27:54 GMT -5
On a side note I have see that play run for years now with Walls,Wright, Markel, and DSR where the guard ends up under the basket after getting a pick set, with the ball. Most of the time one or more 6'9" or more big man is there with him. I say each time I see that, Why? Other than faking the guy or guys off his feet and drawing the foul, there is just not much the 6'2" guard with minimal lift can do in that spot. I am sure I have seen it work successfully,but most of the time I remember the guard getting snuffed by the big men. Is the play designed to have taller guards (6'6" and above) receive the ball under the basket and it just so happens the Hoya have not had such? It used to work an inordinate amount of time at the beginning of JTIII's tenure. I'm sure some of it is better scouting of the play since then (although we run subtle variations of it). I think a lot of it has to do with DSR not being particularly fast in the straight-line sense, so a big can recover against him more easily. Finally, we've not had bigs setting the back screen (or whatever it is...it's not really a back screen...it's sort of just traffic) that have to be defended so the big can be closer to the basket generally.
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