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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 25, 2015 15:08:41 GMT -5
That is a very fair point and I dont disagree. But I confess to being single-mindedly focused at the moment on getting the 2 or 3 seed in the BET. While I have no quarrel with those who say the NCAAs is what really matters, I also have a long-standing love affair with the BET. As those who have been to one in which the Hoyas were playing on Sunday afternoon or Saturday evening can attest, it can be a very memorable few days in NYC. Manhattan, MSG, basketball, beer, pizza, pretzels, old friends, laughs, wins, beer, memories. If we are playing in the finals (or even the semis in some years), it is almost guaranteed to be one of my favorite weekends of the year (despite the fact it has actually ended in such horrific heartbreak so many times). Just to reiterate and be clear, I would rather have success in the NCAA Tournament than the BET. But since the BET comes first, my plan is to hope we win that and then see what happens the next few weeks. Yeah, living in NYC, nothing really beats the BET experience. I agree with all of this. I know for recruiting, the fan base, our rep and the narrative, the NCAA tournament is it. But I'll admit to being invested in the BET and enjoying the 2007 BET championship more than the Final Four run that year. Just so I don't get beaten up too badly, I get the tournament run is more important, but being in NYC, celebrating with fellow Hoyas, drinking and eating too much. That is what it is about. hm
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2015 15:10:18 GMT -5
I was feverishly searching through the NCAA tourney rules for the regulation directly tying your NCAAT performance to your performance in your conference tourney; have not yet found it, but will keep you all updated
Obviously we would ALL prefer a strong performance in the NCAA's to one in the BET if we were given only that choice. Then again, there is nothing in our inconsistent track record this season to suggest winning more than a game, maybe two at most in the big tourney A BET title is something the players will always remember. So let's scratch and claw for that first, then see where we go from there.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 25, 2015 15:29:19 GMT -5
I was feverishly searching through the NCAA tourney rules for the regulation directly tying your NCAAT performance to your performance in your conference tourney; have not yet found it, but will keep you all updated Obviously we would ALL prefer a strong performance in the NCAA's to one in the BET if we were given only that choice. Then again, there is nothing in our inconsistent track record this season to suggest winning more than a game, maybe two at most in the big tourney A BET title is something the players will always remember. So let's scratch and claw for that first, then see where we go from there. This two games in the last two weeks thing has turned several threads into baseless potpourri. Whether it's nonsensical conspiracies about the selection committee, empty platitudes like beating a team three times in one season, or ill-founded ideas about rest/fatigue or rust/momentum from the BET affecting our NCAA performance, it's all here.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 25, 2015 16:11:48 GMT -5
I was feverishly searching through the NCAA tourney rules for the regulation directly tying your NCAAT performance to your performance in your conference tourney; have not yet found it, but will keep you all updated Obviously we would ALL prefer a strong performance in the NCAA's to one in the BET if we were given only that choice. Then again, there is nothing in our inconsistent track record this season to suggest winning more than a game, maybe two at most in the big tourney A BET title is something the players will always remember. So let's scratch and claw for that first, then see where we go from there. This two games in the last two weeks thing has turned several threads into baseless potpourri. Whether it's nonsensical conspiracies about the selection committee, empty platitudes like beating a team three times in one season, or ill-founded ideas about rest/fatigue or rust/momentum from the BET affecting our NCAA performance, it's all here. The I Like Ike may be my favorite avatar in the history of HoyaTalk.
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Post by Jack on Feb 25, 2015 17:04:59 GMT -5
I was feverishly searching through the NCAA tourney rules for the regulation directly tying your NCAAT performance to your performance in your conference tourney; have not yet found it, but will keep you all updated Obviously we would ALL prefer a strong performance in the NCAA's to one in the BET if we were given only that choice. Then again, there is nothing in our inconsistent track record this season to suggest winning more than a game, maybe two at most in the big tourney A BET title is something the players will always remember. So let's scratch and claw for that first, then see where we go from there. This two games in the last two weeks thing has turned several threads into baseless potpourri. Whether it's nonsensical conspiracies about the selection committee, empty platitudes like beating a team three times in one season, or ill-founded ideas about rest/fatigue or rust/momentum from the BET affecting our NCAA performance, it's all here. I, for one, am quite pleased to be reading this discussion. You see, I was polishing my collection of antique lamps the other day, and this nice fellow appeared and granted me 3 wishes. Having now burned through the first two on the Red Sox acquisition of Yoan Moncada and a roof rake (they are more precious than gold here in frozen Massachusetts), I was trying to decide whether to spend my final wish on a Big East Tournament win or a Sweet 16 appearance for our beloved Hoyas, and this debate is going a long way in helping my decision.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 25, 2015 17:37:56 GMT -5
This two games in the last two weeks thing has turned several threads into baseless potpourri. Whether it's nonsensical conspiracies about the selection committee, empty platitudes like beating a team three times in one season, or ill-founded ideas about rest/fatigue or rust/momentum from the BET affecting our NCAA performance, it's all here. I, for one, am quite pleased to be reading this discussion. You see, I was polishing my collection of antique lamps the other day, and this nice fellow appeared and granted me 3 wishes. Having now burned through the first two on the Red Sox acquisition of Yoan Moncada and a roof rake (they are more precious than gold here in frozen Massachusetts), I was trying to decide whether to spend my final wish on a Big East Tournament win or a Sweet 16 appearance for our beloved Hoyas, and this debate is going a long way in helping my decision. And you clowns thought it was a semi-harmless debate to have while we're waiting a week for the next game. Don't you feel stupid now?
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 25, 2015 22:19:46 GMT -5
This two games in the last two weeks thing has turned several threads into baseless potpourri. Whether it's nonsensical conspiracies about the selection committee, empty platitudes like beating a team three times in one season, or ill-founded ideas about rest/fatigue or rust/momentum from the BET affecting our NCAA performance, it's all here. I, for one, am quite pleased to be reading this discussion. You see, I was polishing my collection of antique lamps the other day, and this nice fellow appeared and granted me 3 wishes. Having now burned through the first two on the Red Sox acquisition of Yoan Moncada and a roof rake (they are more precious than gold here in frozen Massachusetts), I was trying to decide whether to spend my final wish on a Big East Tournament win or a Sweet 16 appearance for our beloved Hoyas, and this debate is going a long way in helping my decision. I would gladly have loaned you my roof rake and saved your second wish so the Hoyas could win both.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2015 22:26:41 GMT -5
That is a very fair point and I dont disagree. But I confess to being single-mindedly focused at the moment on getting the 2 or 3 seed in the BET. While I have no quarrel with those who say the NCAAs is what really matters, I also have a long-standing love affair with the BET. As those who have been to one in which the Hoyas were playing on Sunday afternoon or Saturday evening can attest, it can be a very memorable few days in NYC. Manhattan, MSG, basketball, beer, pizza, pretzels, old friends, laughs, wins, beer, memories. If we are playing in the finals (or even the semis in some years), it is almost guaranteed to be one of my favorite weekends of the year (despite the fact it has actually ended in such horrific heartbreak so many times). Just to reiterate and be clear, I would rather have success in the NCAA Tournament than the BET. But since the BET comes first, my plan is to hope we win that and then see what happens the next few weeks. Yeah, living in NYC, nothing really beats the BET experience. I agree with this, but even being at the 2010 final that we should have won (I also attended every game in 2007) didn't soften the blow of losing to Ohio a few days later.
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 27, 2015 9:48:51 GMT -5
Updated before this weekend's games
Per Pomeroy
Expected Conference Wins - Sum of Win Probabilities
1. Nova 15.34 2. Butler 11.84 3. Hoyas 11.67 4. Prov. 10.88 5. St Johns 9.25 6. Xavier 9.02 7. DePaul 6.53 8. S. Hall 6.37 9. Marq. 4.28 9. Creigh. 4.82
Expected Conference Wins - Favorite wins
1. Nova 16 2. Butler 12 3. Prov. 11 4. Hoyas 11 5. St Johns 10 6. Xavier 9 7. S. Hall 7 8. DePaul 6 9. Marq. 4 10.Creigh. 4
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Post by Jack on Feb 27, 2015 10:03:14 GMT -5
Updated before this weekend's games Per Pomeroy Expected Conference Wins - Sum of Win Probabilities 1. Nova 15.34 2. Butler 11.84 3. Hoyas 11.67 4. Prov. 10.88 5. St Johns 9.25 6. Xavier 9.02 7. DePaul 6.53 8. S. Hall 6.37 9. Marq. 4.28 9. Creigh. 4.82 Expected Conference Wins - Favorite wins 1. Nova 16 2. Butler 12 3. Hoyas 11 4. Prov. 11 5. St Johns 10 6. Xavier 9 7. S. Hall 7 8. DePaul 6 9. Marq. 4 10.Creigh. 4 With apologies for pedantry and appreciation for doing the numbers/paying for KenPom, wouldn't the Hoyas end up 4th in the "Favorite wins" scenario given the tiebreakers?
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Post by HoyaChris on Feb 27, 2015 12:57:28 GMT -5
Updated before this weekend's games Per Pomeroy Expected Conference Wins - Sum of Win Probabilities 1. Nova 15.34 2. Butler 11.84 3. Hoyas 11.67 4. Prov. 10.88 5. St Johns 9.25 6. Xavier 9.02 7. DePaul 6.53 8. S. Hall 6.37 9. Marq. 4.28 9. Creigh. 4.82 Expected Conference Wins - Favorite wins 1. Nova 16 2. Butler 12 3. Hoyas 11 4. Prov. 11 5. St Johns 10 6. Xavier 9 7. S. Hall 7 8. DePaul 6 9. Marq. 4 10.Creigh. 4 With apologies for pedantry and appreciation for doing the numbers/paying for KenPom, wouldn't the Hoyas end up 4th in the "Favorite wins" scenario given the tiebreakers? It's not pedantry if you are correct about something that matters. The post has been corrected.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 27, 2015 19:05:07 GMT -5
How is providence not going to be favored in all of its games? Marq, at SHU and Butler. Doesn't that mean "favorite wins" should be 12 for providence?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 27, 2015 19:18:26 GMT -5
Yeah, living in NYC, nothing really beats the BET experience. I agree with this, but even being at the 2010 final that we should have won (I also attended every game in 2007) didn't soften the blow of losing to Ohio a few days later. Trust me I understand (and agree). I was at both games in person, and was in a very dark place on the drive back to Boston from Providence. Tough 1/2 punch to end that season.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 27, 2015 19:59:38 GMT -5
I once told my wife (during a discussion about the calendar the upcoming months) that "the Big East Tournament is non-negotiable." That went well.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 27, 2015 21:09:20 GMT -5
How is providence not going to be favored in all of its games? Marq, at SHU and Butler. Doesn't that mean "favorite wins" should be 12 for providence? According to KenPom probabilities: Marquette: 84% @ Seton Hall: 49% Butler: 55% According to teamrankings: Marquette: 79.1% @ Seton Hall: 47.5% Butler: 52.7
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 27, 2015 21:11:57 GMT -5
How is providence not going to be favored in all of its games? Marq, at SHU and Butler. Doesn't that mean "favorite wins" should be 12 for providence? According to KenPom probabilities: Marquette: 84% @ Seton Hall: 49% Butler: 55% According to teamrankings: Marquette: 79.1% @ Seton Hall: 47.5% Butler: 52.7
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 27, 2015 21:14:33 GMT -5
According to KenPom probabilities: Marquette: 84% @ Seton Hall: 49% Butler: 55% According to teamrankings: Marquette: 79.1% @ Seton Hall: 47.5% Butler: 52.7 Sorry jumped the gun there on the response. Interesting. KenProm I suppose are based strictly on season long numbers and don't take into account the recent Seton Hall situation. Everybody knows Providence will be favored in that game but I understand where the information came from now so thank you for pointing that out.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 27, 2015 21:28:04 GMT -5
I know it doesnt mean much now but since match ups matter so much in post season. I would rather end up 2 or 4 in The BET. 3 is going to have to play 6 and that team is going to be desperate to win as they will be on the bubble whether it's SJ or Xavier. That said if we can only win one of the next 2 games I would rather beat Butler as that gives us a better chance at the 2.
Looking ahead to NCAAT I think id rather be a 6 than a 5 as looking at bracket matrix the 3's actually look worse than the 4's. This also avoids the dreaded 5v12 game and the 1's which are very strong this year compared to the 2's.
I understand this is all subject to change but as it stands now that's the way it looks like our best chance to succeed.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 27, 2015 21:30:15 GMT -5
I know it doesnt mean much now but since match ups matter so much in post season. I would rather end up 2 or 4 in The BET. 3 is going to have to play 6 and that team is going to be desperate to win as they will be on the bubble whether it's SJ or Xavier. That said if we can only win one of the next 2 games I would rather beat Butler as that gives us a better chance at the 2. Looking ahead to NCAAT I think id rather be a 6 than a 5 as looking at bracket matrix the 3's actually look worse than the 4's. This also avoids the dreaded 5v12 game and the 1's which are very strong this year compared to the 2's. I understand this is all subject to change but as it stands now that's the way it looks like our best chance to succeed. A 6-3 game vs the twerps would be amazing.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 27, 2015 21:33:36 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. There is no way Seton Hall will be giving points in that game. I hope they can pull something together on that day even though they are a raging dumpster fire right now.
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