hoyaloya
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Post by hoyaloya on Jan 23, 2015 9:56:30 GMT -5
It is 42 years since Roe v. Wade & Doe v. Bolton legalized abortion on demand. In doing some research, I found this site: www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/It contains powerful statements by Jesse Jackson in a National Right to Life News article in 1977. Jackson wrote: The question of "life" is The Question of the 20th century. Race and poverty are dimensions of the life question, but discussions about abortion have brought the issue into focus in a much sharper way.
How we will respect and understand the nature of life itself is the over-riding moral issue, not of the Black race, but of the human race.
The question of abortion confronts me in several different ways. First, although I do not profess to be a biologist, I have studied biology and know something about life from the point of view of the natural sciences. Second, I am a minister of the Gospel and, therefore, feel that abortion has a religious and moral dimension that I must consider. Third, I was born out of wedlock (and against the advice that my mother received from her doctor) and therefore abortion is a personal issue for me.
From my perspective, human life is the highest good, the summum bonum. Human life itself is the highest human good and God is the supreme good because He is the giver of life...
There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of higher order than the right to life. I do not share that view. I believe that life is not private, but rather it is public and universal.
If one accepts the position that life is private, and therefore you have the right to do with it as you please, one must also accept the conclusion of that logic. That was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside of your right to concerned.
Another area that concerns me greatly, namely because I know how it has been used with regard to race, is the psycholinguistics involved in this whole issue of abortion. If something can be dehumanized through the rhetoric used to describe it, then the major battle has been won. Those advocates of taking life prior to birth do not call it killing or murder, they call it abortion. They further never talk about aborting a baby because that would imply something human. Rather they talk about aborting the fetus. Fetus sounds less than human and therefore can be justified.
… What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person, and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?
It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth. Well said. Richard M. Coleman C ’57, GL ‘61
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 23, 2015 11:24:24 GMT -5
It is 29 years since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducted its first members. They were Little Richard, Chuck Berry, James Brown, Ray Charles, Fats Domino, The Everly Brothers, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Elvis Presley. In doing some research, I found this site: www.metrolyrics.com/It contains a powerful statement by Little Richard in the form of a song off the album Here's Little Richard, originally released in November 1955. Richard sang: Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo Tutti frutti, au- rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boom Got a gal named Sue, she knows just what to do Got a gal named Sue, she knows just what to do She rock to the east, she rocks to the west But she's the gal that I know best Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boom Got a gal named Daisy, she almost drives me crazy Got a gal named Daisy, she almost drives me crazy She knows how to love me, yes indeed Boy, I don't know what you're doin' to me Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti Tutti frutti, au-rutti A whop bop-a-lu a whop ba, boom Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo Got a girl named Daisy, she almost drives me crazy Got a girl named Daisy, she almost drives me crazy She knows how to love me, yes indeed Boy, I don't know what you're doin' to me Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy Tutti frutti, oh Rudy A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam booVery well said. Dick O. Rockguy Dental '85
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pertinax
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Post by pertinax on Jan 23, 2015 12:04:24 GMT -5
Chiding your post would be superfluous, strummer. It is in and of itself an embarrassment. Not you, of course. Your post.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 23, 2015 13:14:07 GMT -5
Chiding your post would be superfluous, strummer. It is in and of itself an embarrassment. Not you, of course. Your post. Yeah, I wouldn't want you to ruin your track record of avoiding superfluous posts.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 23, 2015 15:10:14 GMT -5
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 23, 2015 16:23:43 GMT -5
It continues to amaze me that Georgetown students or grads fail to grasp what Jackson said so many years ago; and further, that they avoid even discussing it but change the subject by making fun of other posters. This is a very serious subject, not comedy.
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Jan 23, 2015 17:43:42 GMT -5
An interesting read, but unfortunately, I believe just leads to the same type of talking past each other that dominates the abortion debate.
"There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of higher order than the right to life."
The argument would be more accurately phrased if he recognized that there is a genuine difference in viewpoint of when 'life' begins. The embryo/fetus debate is not the pedantic distinction that a lot of anti-abortion activists like to treat it as. Unless you believe that pro-choice individuals are either too stupid to grasp the concepts, or that they genuinely are okay with killing 'babies,' I think it would better serve the debate to acknowledge that difference.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2015 18:21:51 GMT -5
I just hope pertinax is not a Jesuit priest.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 23, 2015 19:33:49 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Let's try to keep the discussion from descending too quickly into the slime. There's no need for gratuitous insults directed against other posters.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jan 23, 2015 20:46:01 GMT -5
What seems most unfortunate here is the absolute unwillingness of either side in this argument to accept that people of good will and sound intellect can hold a different opinion, be it scientific, ethical, moral or matter of faith.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 23, 2015 21:21:42 GMT -5
Chiding your post would be superfluous, strummer. It is in and of itself an embarrassment. Not you, of course. Your post. Do you mind if I ask what year you graduated from Georgetown?
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hoyaloya
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Post by hoyaloya on Feb 8, 2015 10:44:54 GMT -5
Thank you for the 200 plus views. While the title of the site below expresses a conclusion, please note the photographs are facts, not opinions. www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/7-incredible-photographs-that-powerfully-prove-the-humanity-of-unborn-childWhat is justification for killing those pictured? The question was raised in a 2006 column by Nat Henthoff regarding Jesse Jackson’s volte-face on abortion. While the 2d paragraph is inaccurate – there are not “very few exceptions”, Doe v. Bolton made it abortion on demand– the piece is worth reading. Richard M. ColemanC ’57, GL ‘61 Jewish World Review June 12, 2006/ 16 Sivan, 5766Nat Hentoff Insisting on lifeA longtime friend of mine is married to a doctor who also performs abortions. At the dinner table one recent evening, their 9-year-old son — having heard a word whose meaning he didn't know — asked, "What is an abortion?" His mother, choosing her words carefully, described the procedure in simple terms. .... SNIPPED... And so, the termination of "lives not worth living" goes on. www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff061206.asp
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 8, 2015 13:48:12 GMT -5
Keep plugging, hoyaloya. Truth will win out ultimately, though probably not in my lifetime.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 8, 2015 17:35:34 GMT -5
Mods, could you explain why you fail to enforce the rules as they apply to this guy? Rule #2 clearly states: "Do not post any copyrighted articles, regardless of source, in its entirety. It is OK to use a quote from a daily newspaper, magazine, or recruiting service, but for more than one paragraph of information, a link to the site will suffice."
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Post by kchoya on Feb 8, 2015 17:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 8, 2015 19:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 8, 2015 19:11:34 GMT -5
Thank you for the 200 plus views. Are you accounting for the 100 plus times you've viewed this thread to pat yourself on the back? Seriously though, how poor was the education at the Law Center in the 60s if this is what it produced? Logic was clearly not a required course.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 8, 2015 21:07:47 GMT -5
Thank you for the 200 plus views. Translation : "ha ha, made you look!" I feel like my four year old is more mature than this. How is this not just straight up trolling?
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quickplay
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Post by quickplay on Feb 9, 2015 12:36:14 GMT -5
A nine-year old's ability for nuance is about what I expected, thanks for the article.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 10, 2015 12:21:54 GMT -5
A nine-year old's ability for nuance is about what I expected, thanks for the article. Did the kid have any opinions on hot dog toppings? Murky waters....
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