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Post by big3 on Mar 13, 2016 19:57:59 GMT -5
Can we bring in Dayton and VCU now?
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 13, 2016 20:03:23 GMT -5
Only if Dayton beats Cuse again.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2016 20:50:00 GMT -5
Why would we do that? The conference is on great footing with 10 teams. Unless UConn changes their football situation, I don't think we should be looking to add anybody. It's not necessary.
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Post by big3 on Mar 13, 2016 21:14:14 GMT -5
In my opinion, they would add a shot to depth of the conference that would be very beneficial. Also, have you seen their home environments and how well their fans travel?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2016 22:33:44 GMT -5
Can we bring in Dayton and VCU now? So we could have come in 10th instead of 8th?
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 13, 2016 23:23:19 GMT -5
Why would we do that? The conference is on great footing with 10 teams. Unless UConn changes their football situation, I don't think we should be looking to add anybody. It's not necessary. I'm with this. UCONN is a no brainer if they decide to join. I'd add a second if thats the case, and probably Dayton over VCU (let's see whether VCU stays relevant as the Shaka impact lessens over time). But if UCONN isn't joining, stick with 10. The balance is working for now.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2016 23:34:50 GMT -5
After the most successful Big East Tournament of the "new" era, there's simply no reason to mess with a good situation unless there's a compelling reason (like UConn).
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Post by IDenj on Mar 14, 2016 7:26:30 GMT -5
How was attendance at MSG during the recent BE tourney?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 14, 2016 7:49:57 GMT -5
Excellent and a sold out final.
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 14, 2016 8:07:23 GMT -5
The energy was awesome - even the Wed night doubleheader had a lot more electricity than the last couple years...
as far as expansion targets let's not steer away from what we know 1) Non Football and 2) Private and 3) Urban/bigger city
UCONN would need to KILL their football program and commit to keep it dead for a long time - if not, starting the day they join we will talk about which conference UCONN will try to jump ship to...
I know Villanova will fight tooth and nail but Temple/St.Joe fit the bill, St.Louis fits, Detroit Mercy fits... The latter two deliver TV viewers in parts of the country where the BigEast brand is not as strong... I think our partners at FOX will certainly have a say
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Post by ahoya2 on Mar 14, 2016 8:13:33 GMT -5
I see no need to expand at this time. BE is more competitive each year. Rivalries evolving. Tournament still BIG.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 14, 2016 8:14:30 GMT -5
I like St. Louis and Dayton...although VCU would be nice for me, as I could make it to games there.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2016 8:27:01 GMT -5
How was attendance at MSG during the recent BE tourney? Excellent. Quarters: Estimated 15,000 Semis: Estimated 17,000 Finals: 19,812 (sold out)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 8:43:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure the Big East needs to expand. It would be nice if the Hoyas could finish in the top half of the conference though (which should be good enough to get a tournament bid).
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 14, 2016 8:57:58 GMT -5
For all the wrong reasons, the University of Hawaii.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 14, 2016 9:26:30 GMT -5
If they are going to expand you have to think that the conference, and Fox, will want them to enter into large media markets. Even as bad as they have been for a few years, BC is a logical choice for a few reasons. Catholic school, similar size school and a large TV market that the conference is not in at this point. The problem is that they chased the football money and absolutely stink at this point in both football and basketball. The football money is why they left to start with, although you have to think they are having some second thoughts (except for all the ACC football money they get!!!) Would they move to a independent football schedule? Doubtful, but they have another few years of zero conference wins and that might change.
UConn would fill the CT TV market but they are a large state university and have invested a lot of money into football. St Louis would not be an awful choice, good sized TV market, similar sized private school and some basketball history. Being part of the Big East might help them recruit. If you are going to expand you have to think it will be two teams.
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Post by gunny on Mar 14, 2016 9:27:22 GMT -5
As hoyasaxa said in the NCAA Tournament thread, I would add ONLY UConn.
I watched the AAC final on Sunday on ESPN and it looked like a mid-major tournament final. The place was half empty (according to Yahoo sports attendance was 7,990). I am sure UConn alum would much rather commute to the Big Apple than go to a half filled arena in Orlando, FL. By adding UConn you are not watering down the conference with a team you are not sure about future success. How good is VCU going to be with a new coach in a couple years after the Shaka Smart influence wears off? Where will Dayton be after Archie Miller leaves?
In my opinion you only want to add someone who is going to be a slam dunk or do not add anyone at all. UConn is the only slam dunk and that only occurs until they deal with their football issue. It appears that the Big 12 is considering adding 2 more teams this summer. If UConn does not get an invite then the chances of gaining entry into the Power 5 is all but dead.
Financial concerns will have to be dealt with sooner rather than later for the Huskies. As was laid out in the article in the NCAA Tournament thread, they are going to continue to lose money on the football program. Based on public information, it appears that UConn is receiving about $1.5 million a year for their television contract with ESPN/CBS Sports. Whereas, the Big East schools are each receiving about $4.2 million a year ($500 million contract for 12 years) for their television contract with Fox Sports.
I would have no problem with 11 schools as it allows you time see who else steps up to the plate basketball wise and who fits the criteria that the conference has setup. I am not looking to add teams such as St. Louis (they are 8-28 in the A10 the past 2 years), Temple or St. Joseph’s (already have Villanova in Philly) or Detroit Mercy (really someone from the Horizon). They bring nothing to the table. I want to bring someone in who will add something to the Big East and the BET. UConn does that.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 14, 2016 9:42:49 GMT -5
The balanced conference schedule presents the league with a true champion. Look at Indiana this year. They had an extremely soft conference schedule. We had this in the "old" big east and for competitive purposes and recruiting purposes, you keep it at ten as long as possible. We are the only major true basketball only conference. You could put the Big 12 in there but my guess is expansion is imminent there to aid football. If we ever get our act together & St. John's steps up, we have nine teams that can compete most years for an NCAA birth. Depaul is our only really weak link. Look at the big Ten: Rutgers, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Penn State... That is a lot of dead weight.
Look at the ACC: Boston College, Wake, Georgia Tech, Clemson. They don't have the true bottom feeders other than BC that the B1G has as Va Tech, NC State, FL. State and those previously mentioned will all ebb and flow depending on year and I think Cuse & Pitt join that group shortly.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2016 10:45:42 GMT -5
I would have no problem with 11 schools as it allows you time see who else steps up to the plate basketball wise and who fits the criteria that the conference has setup. I am not looking to add teams such as St. Louis (they are 8-28 in the A10 the past 2 years), Temple or St. Joseph’s (already have Villanova in Philly) or Detroit Mercy (really someone from the Horizon). They bring nothing to the table. I want to bring someone in who will add something to the Big East and the BET. UConn does that. Well said. The whole idea that you should add teams because of "markets" is overdone, I think. I mean, DePaul is living proof of that. DePaul is in one of the largest cities in America. Does anybody seriously think that DePaul is "bringing" the Chicago market or aiding the conference in any way? I would rather have a great Creighton team in Nebraska than a horrible DePaul Chicago team. The Big East needs to be a premier basketball conference, and I think it is well on its way to doing that. UConn has been a very successful program over the years, and I think it would be a no-brainer to add them. Otherwise, you need to give me a much more compelling reason than "market" for the addition of any team. And the compelling reason needs to do with performance and success as a program. The Big 10 is a great example of the idea of "markets" not working well. Rutgers joined to "bring" the New York metro area. I live in New Jersey, and I can tell you that absolutely nothing has changed regarding Rutgers, and there is no evidence that their joining the Big 10 has done anything to increase their viewership or draw. If anything, going winless in both basketball or football will likely kill their fan bases. Rutgers real problem is they were never very good at football or basketball; at least in the old Big East their football could be passable, but it's hard to see how they do not continue to get slaughtered against Big 10 football. I think it's inevitable that someday, down the line, the Big East will probably expand - UConn would be a great reason to do that. Until that happens, I say we stick to our 10.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2016 10:56:37 GMT -5
If they are going to expand you have to think that the conference, and Fox, will want them to enter into large media markets. Even as bad as they have been for a few years, BC is a logical choice for a few reasons. Catholic school, similar size school and a large TV market that the conference is not in at this point. The problem is that they chased the football money and absolutely stink at this point in both football and basketball. The football money is why they left to start with, although you have to think they are having some second thoughts (except for all the ACC football money they get!!!) Would they move to a independent football schedule? Doubtful, but they have another few years of zero conference wins and that might change. UConn would fill the CT TV market but they are a large state university and have invested a lot of money into football. St Louis would not be an awful choice, good sized TV market, similar sized private school and some basketball history. Being part of the Big East might help them recruit. If you are going to expand you have to think it will be two teams. Adding Boston College would be a horrible idea. First, they are in the ACC and get a significant paycheck as a result of football. Even with a horrible team, they are not going to give up that contract. There is absolutely no reason why moving to the Big East would help them, and they would then have the problem of where to place the football program. Second, as noted in my other recent post, any addition MUST be a high quality program in basketball. We already have DePaul as the hopeless program at the bottom of the conference. We do not need to add another. Third, BC being a Catholic school, similarly sized, and in a large TV market fails to provide a compelling reason why they should move. The first two factors are really irrelevant, and I think a "market" without a quality team is counterproductive. A market for the market's sake is pointless. Lastly, UConn being a "large state university" is part of the reason why they would be a great addition. They are a historically very good program and they have a very large fan base that would not only increase attendance for the BET, but also all the schools, as they would draw interest among fan bases. No thank you to St. Louis.
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