mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 2, 2015 14:34:41 GMT -5
Wouldnt be surprised if we drop this one honestly. I beginning to lose faith in JTIII, his system, and his line-ups in which I agree with another poster here who said JTIII is running out a NIT line up right now. IDK It's amazing how quickly some people go from an overinflated sense of this team to the point we're winning the Big East, to now having zero faith in the coach, system, line-ups, etc. and we can't beat a Creighton team that lost to Northern Texas. Some people need to take a few steps back.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 2, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -5
For those worried about our NCAA chances, our predicted RPI is 53, our predicted SOS 15, and our predicted record is 17-12. We have far too much talent to end up 17-12 unless we completely tank. More realistic is 19 or 20 wins, which would move our RPI into the 40s or lower and be way plenty enough to make the field. Particularly since we do not have a single bad loss to date. So everyone should relax.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 2, 2015 14:48:25 GMT -5
This board is a psychiatrist's dream. Manic-depressive behavior all over the place. Calling it bi-polar doesn't do it justice.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jan 2, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -5
For me, it's not the loss. It's how we played which was terrible and how virtually everybody played poorly. I do not think that game, however, came down to JT3's coaching. I agree it's absurd to run for the hills after that one though. Let's see how the next few go.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jan 2, 2015 15:31:26 GMT -5
This board is a psychiatrist's dream. Manic-depressive behavior all over the place. Calling it bi-polar doesn't do it justice. YES IT DOES!
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 2, 2015 15:31:46 GMT -5
Why does everyone keep saying Xavier was a terrible loss? Xavier is very good. I would not be surprised if they won 12+ games in conference. We played terrible for sure, but losing at Xavier was not a resume damaging loss. It's not a terrible loss because it was Xavier. Xavier's a good team. It's a terrible loss because it was by 17 points. To be honest, I don't think we are a bad team. I just still see a ton of potential with this team, so compared to say, last year, I am extremely frustrated with the lack of growth.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 2, 2015 17:27:16 GMT -5
For those worried about our NCAA chances, our predicted RPI is 53, our predicted SOS 15, and our predicted record is 17-12. We have far too much talent to end up 17-12 unless we completely tank. More realistic is 19 or 20 wins, which would move our RPI into the 40s or lower and be way plenty enough to make the field. Particularly since we do not have a single bad loss to date. So everyone should relax. I admit to being very worried and your assessment is not comforting (even the realistic one, which in most years puts us squarely on the bubble). We were essentially 2-3 out of conference - and it remains to be seen if the two wins will fall into the "good wins" category. And our conference season could not have started worse (other than perhaps an injury). Im sure I will feel better after we beat Creighton.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 2, 2015 17:51:56 GMT -5
This board is a psychiatrist's dream. Manic-depressive behavior all over the place. Calling it bi-polar doesn't do it justice. Where's lic when you need him? Paging Dr. Licamele...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 2, 2015 18:05:48 GMT -5
i think it's time for a lineup change. remove hopkins from the starting lineup and replace him with either copeland or white. hopkins gives this team nothing offensively and fouls at an alarming rate for a senior. give hop the center minutes when josh is out and play the kids at the 4 spot. hopkins gets all his shots from within 8 ft and he's shooting under 40%. Neither Copeland nor White can play defense at the 4. This has been discussed about 20 times.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 2, 2015 18:38:01 GMT -5
i think it's time for a lineup change. remove hopkins from the starting lineup and replace him with either copeland or white. hopkins gives this team nothing offensively and fouls at an alarming rate for a senior. give hop the center minutes when josh is out and play the kids at the 4 spot. hopkins gets all his shots from within 8 ft and he's shooting under 40%. Neither Copeland nor White can play defense at the 4. This has been discussed about 20 times. A lot of people don't agree with you.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 2, 2015 19:54:29 GMT -5
The Hoyas dropped their first true road game of the year in a stinker. It happens. More hostile crowds will follow and the freshmen will have to grow as players to handle it. The problem was execution. No reason to hold emergency meetings...yet.
The good news tomorrow is this is not the first road game of the year. This is a home game against an opponent over which we should have a fairly comfortable advantage. Should be set up for a win if everyone keeps their head.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Jan 2, 2015 20:14:29 GMT -5
I think the key to the game is to contain Ryan Sears. We must keep an eye on him at all times, hes deadly from Three. If we can force him into rushed shots and limit creighton to one and done on offense we should be able to put this in the W column.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 2, 2015 20:44:17 GMT -5
In 2013, we lost to Pittsburgh 73-45 home at which point we were 0-2 in the Big East and about to lose Whittington. I will take this situation over that one. For now.
The huge difference is that conference had a lot of opportunities for great wins in the conference. This one does not.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jan 2, 2015 21:06:52 GMT -5
Honestly, the problem with a team like the Hoyas is that they do not have a big margin of error. If everyone plays to their abilities then they can win against most teams. In contrast, another off game by DSR or foul trouble in the middle which eliminates the advantage the Hoyas have in size and the game becomes a tossup. Based upon games this year either or both of these scenarios are possible. Would be nice to get enough of a margin early for the coach to get the 8-10 men in the rotation some playing time. In particular, I would like to see Copeland, Tre and Reggie get meaningful minutes early in case we find ourselves behind late (Reggie) or in foul trouble at either the guard (Tre) or post (Copeland) position. I know that Reggie has not played well this year but I think he has not played enough yet to write him off and his shooting stroke is natural enough to give hope that he is not another Domingo.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 2, 2015 21:08:11 GMT -5
I think the key to the game is to contain Ryan Sears. We must keep an eye on him at all times, hes deadly from Three. If we can force him into rushed shots and limit creighton to one and done on offense we should be able to put this in the W column. Nice. You got me on that one.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 2, 2015 21:19:45 GMT -5
What ails this team is very fixable. They will be fine but they HAVE to have more options than just Hopkins at center. Hayes could've helped but doesn't seem like he's getting any juice so.... will be interesting.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 2, 2015 23:14:08 GMT -5
Neither Copeland nor White can play defense at the 4. This has been discussed about 20 times. A lot of people don't agree with you. That is true. A lot of people don't agree with you . That's the way these things work.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 3, 2015 0:25:26 GMT -5
White and copeland were certainly a liability defensively against Reynolds at the 4 against Xavier. Hopkins was the only one who could defend him. Luckily most other schools don't have a 4 like Reynolds.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 3, 2015 0:57:06 GMT -5
This board is a psychiatrist's dream. Manic-depressive behavior all over the place. Calling it bi-polar doesn't do it justice. Where's lic when you need him? Paging Dr. Licamele... There certainly is no shortage of potential Tourette's patients on this board, although most of them are hopefully only pediatric in mindset, rather than physical and cognitive development. Delusions of grandeur, as well as Stockholm Syndrome, may be the bigger concerns...
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 3, 2015 9:31:08 GMT -5
IMO we need to learn from the Xavier game and put it in the rear view mirror. Furthermore, for all the JTIII haters, "we will be fine this year"!!! I do agree that the losses hurt but they hurt more when we don't learn from our mistakes. Looking back at several of our key losses it has become glaringly apparent that we need to make better on ball court decisions from all our players. For example, we need to make our free throws when they put us on the line. We've lost three games by a mere two positions but we've won both of our OT games. In hind sight, if we would've made our FT's we may have been able to win out in regulation or win out in OT. Secondly we need to not try to force our way to the rim (Jabril, DSR, and Bowen) when there's not an available shot, take what the defense gives us. Slashing to the rim has always been a back breaker and a momentum changer for our opponents but it's only effective when we don't turn the ball over, get to the line like Peak and make your FT's. And last but not least, when the double/triple team sets up in the piant (Smith and Hopkins) we need to pass the ball out to the perimeter for the open three. Xavier matched up well against us in almost every aspect; size, athleticism and coaching but we gave them this game in our inability to make the proper on ball court decisions through a simple lack of focus and game time motivation.
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