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Post by lucky on Nov 6, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
I suspect one of two things happens:
1. he has a committable offer by next Wednesday afternoon, or 2. The staff waits to see what's available come spring
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 13:36:44 GMT -5
Bleh. He'll be another back-up plan recruit that helps keep us in that Top 25-35 national ranking range, but he likely won't elevate the program from there. Maybe that's all we can expect at this point. That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 6, 2015 13:51:12 GMT -5
Our success next year is largely going to rely on guys already on campus (and if they stay on campus, ie. Copeland/Peak). If we can keep recruiting classes like the current Frosh & Soph, we will be fine. If we backslide and have thin classes or a bunch of misses, that will be a problem.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:25:50 GMT -5
Bleh. He'll be another back-up plan recruit that helps keep us in that Top 25-35 national ranking range, but he likely won't elevate the program from there. Maybe that's all we can expect at this point. That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player Don't take Ranch seriuosly when it come to guards 6'3" or under. All logic goes out the window. He's our resident Height Nazi.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 6, 2015 14:27:06 GMT -5
DayDay barely gets to 8 cinder blocks!
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Post by prhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:27:35 GMT -5
DayDay barely gets to 8 cinder blocks! You see?!!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:32:03 GMT -5
Bleh. He'll be another back-up plan recruit that helps keep us in that Top 25-35 national ranking range, but he likely won't elevate the program from there. Maybe that's all we can expect at this point. That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 playerThe native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 6, 2015 14:33:35 GMT -5
Bleh. He'll be another back-up plan recruit that helps keep us in that Top 25-35 national ranking range, but he likely won't elevate the program from there. Maybe that's all we can expect at this point. That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:45:31 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 playerThe native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Denzel Valentine is a guard now? And just to be clear we are talking about 5"10 reserve guard Lourawls Nairn right? I mean...
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:48:44 GMT -5
The native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Denzel Valentine is a guard now? And just to be clear we are talking about 5"10 reserve guard Lourawls Nairn right? I mean... I'm just answering your question. You said who are the top 100 guards . . .
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:49:25 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer. Silly Ranch, rankings and height don't matter. Get with the program!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:51:49 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer. The best player in the Nba was not viewed elite by reliable recruiting services... why should that matter? And you dont have to have elite guards like seventh woods to reach a final four... The rest is you adding your own personal spin
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 14:59:43 GMT -5
Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer. The best player in the Nba was not viewed elite by reliable recruiting services... why should that matter? And you dont have to have elite guards like seventh woods to reach a final four... The rest is you adding your own personal spin Lebron was the most highly recruited/viewed guy ever but assuming you are talking about Steph Curry he was 6-0 his senior year and even his dad's Alma Mater didn't want him. (only offered him a walk on). Steph was 5-6 as a sophomore in high school 5-9 as a junior 6-0 as a senior and then grew 3-4 inches to his current 6-3/6-4 at Davidson. www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=776883
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
The best player in the Nba was not viewed elite by reliable recruiting services... why should that matter? And you dont have to have elite guards like seventh woods to reach a final four... The rest is you adding your own personal spin Lebron was the most highly recruited/viewed guy ever but assuming you are talking about Steph Curry he was 6-0 his senior year and even his dad's Alma Mater didn't want him. (only offered him a walk on). Steph was 5-6 as a sophomore in high school 5-9 as a junior 6-0 as a senior and then grew 3-4 inches to his current 6-3/6-4 at Davidson. www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=776883What is your point? Think everybody on the board knows Stephs history...lol
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 6, 2015 15:04:35 GMT -5
Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer.[/quote] The level of certainty in your post about individual players is why I just can't take the recruiting chicken little seriously. I would really like RSCI #40 Seventh Woods to come to the Hoyas. He seems like a good person, a smart person and a heckuva basketball player. With DSR going, we have need of guards and he's a very good one. I would also say that he's likely to be a better college player than Bracey and he has a much, much better chance of playing the in the NBA. But we're talking likely and chance. It's not a 90% likelihood. You used the word "game-changing" a couple times above and seem to imply that that means the team reaches a "higher competitive level." Since we're a perennial Top 25 squad, I suppose that means Top 10/championship contender. And then you say very certainly that missing out on Woods is missing out on someone who can take us there. How many players around the RSCI Top 40 really elevate a team to that level? DSR was in the 30s, so was Chris Wright. Austin Freeman was in the teens. Otto Porter was there; he qualifies, I think, but would you say that about DaJuan Summers or Nate Lubick? What about Jessie Sapp and Jon Wallace? The chance that Seventh Woods is ever an All-American is what, 5%. The chance that he takes us to a Final Four as the last piece (or goes with SC) is what? Maybe that? The All-American Teams are usually about half Top 10/20 players and then a whole bunch of mostly unranked guys. Last year's 1st and 2nd team guards were: #16 D'Angelo Russell UR Malcolm Brogdon UR Delon Wright UR Jerian Grant I guess my point is this: I have no issue with the general concern over the level of recruit rankings in aggregate. But the idea that we have any certainty about players outside of the Top 10 being "gamechangers" or guaranteed to take us to the next level ... or even that they will outperform a lower ranked level is silly. I hope Seventh Woods comes here. But we have a lot of good players -- and it doesn't mean someone like Tre Campbell or, gosh, even Daquan Bracey, can't get us where we are going.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:06:06 GMT -5
Denzel Valentine is a guard now? And just to be clear we are talking about 5"10 reserve guard Lourawls Nairn right? I mean... I'm just answering your question. You said who are the top 100 guards . . . I unterstand just pointing out the irony and the only consensus top 10O recruit is keoneg and I dont think anyone would say we're a bronson keonig away from a final four
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:09:00 GMT -5
Lebron was the most highly recruited/viewed guy ever but assuming you are talking about Steph Curry he was 6-0 his senior year and even his dad's Alma Mater didn't want him. (only offered him a walk on). Steph was 5-6 as a sophomore in high school 5-9 as a junior 6-0 as a senior and then grew 3-4 inches to his current 6-3/6-4 at Davidson. www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=776883What is your point? Think everybody on the board knows Stephs history...lol Simply that Steph Curry is a bad example of what you are trying to illustrate. The recruiting services evaluated him as a 6-0 shooting guard. No one could really predict that he would have a 4 inch growth spurt in college. There are examples of those things happening (David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Sam Dekker) but it's still quite rare. Just look at the Hoyas over the last 10 years, there hasn't really been a single guy on those teams who has had a significant growth spurt in college.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 6, 2015 15:09:53 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 player Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer. Ranch if I may chime in, Woods is not a game changer! He is an elite athlete but an average perimeter shooter at best (numbers never lie). There is a reason he dropped from an elite 5 star recruit early on in his high school career to a consensus four star. He hasn't improved as a perimeter shooter enough to be a definite game changer. A game changer is a kid that can carry a program. A.I. was a game changer! Anthony Davis was a game changer. Okafor was a game changer for Duke last year. There are maybe 5 known game changers per class and possibly a couple surprise game changers. Woods is more of a good piece to the puzzle but would not be a game changer.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:10:29 GMT -5
I'm just answering your question. You said who are the top 100 guards . . . I unterstand just pointing out the irony and the only consensus top 109 recruit is keoneg.. Do you consider him elite? I do think Koening is very good at the college level. He has that native American athleticism and a very good skill set as well as good size for a college point.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 6, 2015 15:11:50 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 playerThe native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Michigan State played most of the game with #110 Travis Trice and UR Bryn Forbes playing at guard. I fail to see how our backcourt of #60 LJ Peak and roughly #125 Tre Campbell is disadvantaged in recruiting sparkle points. Wisconsin played #79 Koenig and some dude named Josh Gasser. Again, I fail to see how even our post-DSR backcourt is awful.
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