bkhoya
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Post by bkhoya on Mar 25, 2015 11:52:44 GMT -5
I think JT3 should be open to revamping his offensive philosophy to one which respects penetrating point guards. It's a flaw to have so much of the offense run through people that haven't been handling the ball for their entire basketball lives and not expecting a high amount of turnovers. I think the flaw in JT3's approach is the offense itself will generate offense and at times that's not true. It's the same motion and cuts and with any kind of sagging zone it's easy to defend a lot of things Georgetown wants to do. A talented, penetrating point guard that can create for others and himself will help improve those draughts where there offense gets bogged down by having the freedom to create something instead of continually moving the ball side to side.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Mar 25, 2015 12:11:19 GMT -5
I think JT3 should be open to revamping his offensive philosophy to one which respects penetrating point guards. It's a flaw to have so much of the offense run through people that haven't been handling the ball for their entire basketball lives and not expecting a high amount of turnovers. I think the flaw in JT3's approach is the offense itself will generate offense and at times that's not true. It's the same motion and cuts and with any kind of sagging zone it's easy to defend a lot of things Georgetown wants to do. A talented, penetrating point guard that can create for others and himself will help improve those draughts where there offense gets bogged down by having the freedom to create something instead of continually moving the ball side to side. I think the offense allows penetration when the opportunity presents itself. LJ and Trawick certainly were not shy about doing it, and at times had great success. Their biggest problem was that neither was a great finisher or passer, which limited the positive impact of their getting into the lane. I think LJ can become much better at both.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 25, 2015 12:31:13 GMT -5
Have to agree that the Hoya offense in the last few years had become very easy to defend despite the commentators constantly saying that a PRINCETON style offense was difficult to defend. The lack of a mobile center who could defend, rebound and draw the defense away from the basket by having the ability to hit an outside shot played a lot into that. Although I thought White and Copeland did not drive to the hoop as much as I would have liked, their paths were often blocked by sagging defenders and Smith and Hopkins themselves. Hopefully Govan, Derrickson and Agau will change this next year. The point about the true point guard though is well taken. In the college game you have to have that guard who can put pressure on the defense, by his ability to get in the lane and either score or dish. The HOYAS have lacked that guard for some time now. DSR Is a very talented scoring guard but has his limitations. He is just not quick enough to get past a top division 1 guard and does not have the lift to score over him. He must rely on picks to free him up in those situations. If Josh or Hopkins gave him that pick outside the two defenders would simply sag into the lane with him because they did not fear either Josh or Hop to take and make the shot or drive and finish from the top of the key. I have high hopes for Campbell developing into that true pg who can get past his man and finish at the hoop, but right now he is too quick even for himself. The key is quickness with control the top PG's have that. They go where they want to go with the ball rather than their destination being determined by the defense.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 25, 2015 12:42:30 GMT -5
That was another missed assignment as many others during the season. When I say daring to shoot, your reference should be what the other team would do to Bowen, or Josh, Hops & Nate outside of 3 ft. That wasn't a missed assignment, it was a conscious decision to not respect his jumper and we payed for it. I'm positive LJ would say the same exact thing. Not to mention fighting through a screen has nothing to do with missed assignments and all about effort. Think what you may but the original point was that their jumpers may potentially clog up the lane, and that's been shown to be true in their games......maybe not on every possession but it doesn't have to happen on every possession to make it true. People don't even sag off AB in every single situation. Agree to disagree.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 25, 2015 12:47:17 GMT -5
Without changing the offensive system, this team is better served by taller guards who can shoot from 3 (as well as defend the perimeter). If JT3 is willing to revamp his entire offensive philosophy, then Bracey could work. If not, then he is unlikely to be successful running the offense at Georgetown. Don't agree with our guards needing to be tall, but yes to making 3s. Think Wallace. Again, ceteris paribus, take taller guards.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2015 13:54:52 GMT -5
I don't care what offense we are running, I don't want someone hopeless from outside. Spacing is so important in basketball.
I think a penetrating guard would work just fine at GU. I think III would adapt to it, and I actually don't think he has any particular bias against quick, strong ball-handling guards.
I think he has a strong bias against guys who can't shoot (though that's been lessening), and a bias against small guards for defensive reasons (for the record, I think he's way too conservative here -- I think guard height is overrated in college basketball). He also obviously doesn't feel he needs a point like this, so he's more likely to pursue a better combo than what he feels is a lesser "true" point. And I think the share the ball style of the offense we run in comparison to coaches who can say "you will handle the ball every possession for most of the possession" makes it harder to recruit point guards of that style.
But he's obviously recruited players like Bowen (no shot ever), Peak (strong bias to driving), Tre (has been a good shooter but was not especially known for it), Wright (never became a great shooter), etc. And there's a ton of guys he recruited that didn't come that would more closely fit the penetrating point guard mold.
Personally, I would love a breakdown guard either at the 2 or 1. But if "pure point" means he can't shoot at all, count me out. For every Jamaal Tinsley, there's a lot of players that aren't good enough at getting to the rim to make up for the sagging D.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 25, 2015 15:56:45 GMT -5
I don't care what offense we are running, I don't want someone hopeless from outside. Spacing is so important in basketball. I think a penetrating guard would work just fine at GU. I think III would adapt to it, and I actually don't think he has any particular bias against quick, strong ball-handling guards. I think he has a strong bias against guys who can't shoot (though that's been lessening), and a bias against small guards for defensive reasons (for the record, I think he's way too conservative here -- I think guard height is overrated in college basketball). He also obviously doesn't feel he needs a point like this, so he's more likely to pursue a better combo than what he feels is a lesser "true" point. And I think the share the ball style of the offense we run in comparison to coaches who can say "you will handle the ball every possession for most of the possession" makes it harder to recruit point guards of that style. But he's obviously recruited players like Bowen (no shot ever), Peak (strong bias to driving), Tre (has been a good shooter but was not especially known for it), Wright (never became a great shooter), etc. And there's a ton of guys he recruited that didn't come that would more closely fit the penetrating point guard mold. Personally, I would love a breakdown guard either at the 2 or 1. But if "pure point" means he can't shoot at all, count me out. For every Jamaal Tinsley, there's a lot of players that aren't good enough at getting to the rim to make up for the sagging D. Agree with this completely. The problem the past two years has been a lack of consistent outside shooters throughout the squad. I cannot even recall Smith or Hopkins taking a shot from more than 5 feet. Last year the Hoyas had Starks and DSR. This year just DSR and a little bit of Copeland. The absence of an outside threat made it much easier for opponents to play defense against a mammoth like Smith. Not certain why a point guard cannot be a decent shooter and hopefully that is the role for Tre going forward. If Copeland, White, Tre, Reggie and Peak continue to develop their shot this Hoya offense will look much more effective next year.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 25, 2015 21:54:40 GMT -5
DevonTe Brooks @dbrookssbn 1m1 minute ago There is a really good chance that Georgetown will land 2016 St.Frances(MD) PG Daquan Bracey(@thedaydayshow) @hoyas247 casualhoya
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Post by gutuna on Mar 25, 2015 21:55:41 GMT -5
DevonTe Brooks @dbrookssbn 1m1 minute ago There is a really good chance that Georgetown will land 2016 St.Frances(MD) PG Daquan Bracey(@thedaydayshow) @hoyas247 casualhoyaWell that could be a nice start to the offseason...
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Post by fanofjack on Mar 26, 2015 10:15:06 GMT -5
DevonTe Brooks @dbrookssbn 1m1 minute ago There is a really good chance that Georgetown will land 2016 St.Frances(MD) PG Daquan Bracey(@thedaydayshow) @hoyas247 casualhoyaSeems like a good sign that Daquan himself both re-tweeted and "Favorited" that post. I feel so ridiculous using Twitter language sometimes!
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Post by hoyafan23 on Mar 26, 2015 14:03:35 GMT -5
Excellent if he commits, but why is he so low on rankings (I know they dont matter that much)? Just wondering. Will he raise during AAU season?
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 27, 2015 10:54:42 GMT -5
I noticed that Brandon Taylor of Utah is listed as 5'10", 167 lbs. He seems to be able to contribute. We are always fixated on height, but talent trumps everything! Lots of good college guards that are on the small side.....Fred Van Vleet from Wichita St is another. I'd love to have a guy like that. Now getting to the pros at that size is another matter.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 27, 2015 11:43:24 GMT -5
Excellent if he commits, but why is he so low on rankings (I know they dont matter that much)? Just wondering. Will he raise during AAU season? Probably due to his size. Rankings tend to factor in pro potential, so his size hurts him in the rankings. There may be other reasons as well.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Mar 27, 2015 12:22:31 GMT -5
I noticed that Brandon Taylor of Utah is listed as 5'10", 167 lbs. He seems to be able to contribute. We are always fixated on height, but talent trumps everything! Lots of good college guards that are on the small side.....Fred Van Vleet from Wichita St is another. I'd love to have a guy like that. Now getting to the pros at that size is another matter. Taylor and VanVleet are exceptions rather than the rule. Plus, each of them is capable of lighting it up from the outside. If Bracey can improve his jumper and get to that point, I would be happy with this addition. Otherwise, not that excited and I'm not sure that he fits our offense.
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Post by Talos on Mar 28, 2015 9:52:20 GMT -5
Lots of good college guards that are on the small side.....Fred Van Vleet from Wichita St is another. I'd love to have a guy like that. Now getting to the pros at that size is another matter. Taylor and VanVleet are exceptions rather than the rule. Plus, each of them is capable of lighting it up from the outside. If Bracey can improve his jumper and get to that point, I would be happy with this addition. Otherwise, not that excited and I'm not sure that he fits our offense. I understand concerns about height, but personally I'd be more worried about a short center than a short PG. I also think tall guards are more important if you play a lot of zone D as opposed to man to man. We played a lot more man to man than zone this year, and when we did go zone it didn't look good. If we're going to play a lot of man to man in the future, we really need to bring in kids with good lateral quickness who can play on ball D. I think Bracey can do that. However, I think the question will be if he can score and shoot over taller players at the college level. Personally, I'd like to bring in both Bracey and a bigger guard like Jackson.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 28, 2015 14:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 28, 2015 16:25:57 GMT -5
Ask UK if they regret having Ullis who is much shorter by the way.
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 28, 2015 18:24:11 GMT -5
Kenny Brunner was 5'11 and was a very successful PG at GU, until he left to pursue martial arts at UNLV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 0:07:53 GMT -5
From 2013 Daquan Bracey, 5’11”, 2016, PG, Baltimore’s Finest Bracey is a jet quick guard that wanted the ball in his hands even though he was the youngest player on the team. He made his mark early on coming off the bench with his quick first step and ability to get by defenders off the dribble. He hit one three in the first half but then turned up his play which led to increased playing time. After a basket by the LV Prospects which put them up two with five seconds left, Bracey went coast to coast for a right handed lay-up that sent the game into overtime. He eventually miss-fired on a three pointer to put the game into a second overtime, but one has to admire his cojones. www.theintentionalfoul.com/2013_07_01_archive.html
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