hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 19, 2015 11:03:56 GMT -5
I would take another Ray Reed anytime just for the defense. He would have slowed if not shut down Tremble last night. Back in the day, we used to recruit kids for their defense regularly.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 19, 2015 11:04:55 GMT -5
Just can't be disappointed seeing this kid sign with Louisiana Tech. There had to have been a lack of demand from the High-Majors.
I value the opinions of YaBoy and others, but in this case I think the result speaks for itself. I hope DayDay has a great career and can prove all the big boys wrong.
This is not like an Ochefu or Hart or Rakeem situation when we lost a player to a fierce high major rival. Staff must think there is someone out there better than DayDay.
Does Vee Sanford have some eligibility remaining?
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Post by beenaround on Nov 19, 2015 11:52:48 GMT -5
Just can't be disappointed seeing this kid sign with Louisiana Tech. There had to have been a lack of demand from the High-Majors. I value the opinions of YaBoy and others, but in this case I think the result speaks for itself. I hope DayDay has a great career and can prove all the big boys wrong. This is not like an Ochefu or Hart or Rakeem situation when we lost a player to a fierce high major rival. Staff must think there is someone out there better than DayDay. Does Vee Sanford have some eligibility remaining? Don't know nearly as much as you guys do about HS ball. But the fact Bracey ended up at a mid major does not necessarily mean he could not have been a valuable role player for us. Its normally the short guys who, unless highly highly touted, end up at the mid majors. Some like Curry become NBA MVP. Others, just whip us in Rd one of the Big Dance. Bracey signing at La Tech does not necessarily mean he could not have helped the Hoyas.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 19, 2015 12:33:14 GMT -5
My guess is we're focusing more on 2017. Seems like we have a decent shot with some really good pgs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 12:55:58 GMT -5
Just can't be disappointed seeing this kid sign with Louisiana Tech. There had to have been a lack of demand from the High-Majors. I value the opinions of YaBoy and others, but in this case I think the result speaks for itself. I hope DayDay has a great career and can prove all the big boys wrong. This is not like an Ochefu or Hart or Rakeem situation when we lost a player to a fierce high major rival. Staff must think there is someone out there better than DayDay. Does Vee Sanford have some eligibility remaining? As stated by someone who is more intelligent than me If the kid played HM AAU he would have had a ton of HM offers. It's no coincidence half of his HM offers came after he won MVP of the AAU Super Showcase his Junior year. I don't think you guys understand how important these things are. Greg Whittington who is 6'9 with all the talent in the world had no HM offers going into his Senior year because he wasn't on the circuit. We will see how he does but I would encourage you to actually watch the kid play rather than making assumptions based on very little info
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Post by lucky on Nov 19, 2015 12:55:58 GMT -5
I personally think they should have focused a little harder on 2016 first. We have two open slots (after Mosely fills the third) and no targets to fill them at the moment. This thinking or bad luck in recruiting could potentially leave us with 11 scholarship athletes next season. Less if we have defections. It's been discussed many times here, to have a successful program you have to have consistent recruiting. We had 2 very good classes and have thus far followed them up with a dud. (No offense to Mr. Mosely) Just can't happen anymore.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 19, 2015 13:14:28 GMT -5
I would like a minimum of a two person class just for class balance. Whether that comes via a transfer, a recruitment opening in the Spring, or a late riser, we gotta have two good kids for the '16 class. Follow that with three in the following and you have some balance again.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 19, 2015 13:53:06 GMT -5
Just can't be disappointed seeing this kid sign with Louisiana Tech. There had to have been a lack of demand from the High-Majors. I value the opinions of YaBoy and others, but in this case I think the result speaks for itself. I hope DayDay has a great career and can prove all the big boys wrong. This is not like an Ochefu or Hart or Rakeem situation when we lost a player to a fierce high major rival. Staff must think there is someone out there better than DayDay. Does Vee Sanford have some eligibility remaining? As stated by someone who is more intelligent than me If the kid played HM AAU he would have had a ton of HM offers. It's no coincidence half of his HM offers came after he won MVP of the AAU Super Showcase his Junior year. I don't think you guys understand how important these things are. Greg Whittington who is 6'9 with all the talent in the world had no HM offers going into his Senior year because he wasn't on the circuit. We will see how he does but I would encourage you to actually watch the kid play rather than making assumptions based on very little info I've watched the clips. At the end of the day, it was LA Tech. Lack of AAU exposure or not, a judgment on his ability at the next level has been made through the process. This is a judgment made by people who do this for a living, including scouring the ends of the earth to find diamonds in the rough who lack AAU exposure. Something was missing to attract high major interest.
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Post by bkhoya on Nov 19, 2015 13:58:30 GMT -5
I was never a proponent of taking Bracey because due to the Hoyas playing style. You don't need a floor general when that's not how they play. I truly believe all the guards have to be able to make open shots consistently and shooting is not what this kid's game is about. Curtis Jones was the type of guard that this system works well with, so I'm of the opinion that they need to find someone like him. A combo that can handle and shoot it really well.
If you're a slasher like Peak, you have to be long enough to finish inside amongst the trees. But either way this team has to get another guard and one that likes to hunt his shot.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 19, 2015 13:59:38 GMT -5
Well, I guess I should be breathing a sigh of relief that we will not have Mr. Bracey. The "High Majors" have spoken!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 19, 2015 14:14:59 GMT -5
I would like a minimum of a two person class just for class balance. Whether that comes via a transfer, a recruitment opening in the Spring, or a late riser, we gotta have two good kids for the '16 class. Follow that with three in the following and you have some balance again. I would be really surprised if we don't add anybody in the class of 2016. Personally, I would prefer that we get someone in the class of 2016, only because I feel like the transfer market for 5th year seniors is so competitive for talent that's generally underwhelming. You do occasionally get skilled guys transferring, but the odds that Georgetown would pick up a great guard as a transfer are just very low in general. As far as non-5th year seniors, they wouldn't help in 2016 anyway. Spring signings are definitely possible. I say that if there's a good guard candidate in the class of 2016 that we can realistically get, take him. Otherwise, leave the scholarship open and hope for the best in the transfer market. I do think we'll need to use at least one 2017 scholarship on another center, so it would be nice to get another guard for 2016.
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 19, 2015 14:32:05 GMT -5
As stated by someone who is more intelligent than me If the kid played HM AAU he would have had a ton of HM offers. It's no coincidence half of his HM offers came after he won MVP of the AAU Super Showcase his Junior year. I don't think you guys understand how important these things are. Greg Whittington who is 6'9 with all the talent in the world had no HM offers going into his Senior year because he wasn't on the circuit. We will see how he does but I would encourage you to actually watch the kid play rather than making assumptions based on very little info I've watched the clips. At the end of the day, it was LA Tech. Lack of AAU exposure or not, a judgment on his ability at the next level has been made through the process. This is a judgment made by people who do this for a living, including scouring the ends of the earth to find diamonds in the rough who lack AAU exposure. Something was missing to attract high major interest. What do you call what we did then? You do realize kids don't make their college decisions solely off of a number written next to s team name, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:53:01 GMT -5
As stated by someone who is more intelligent than me If the kid played HM AAU he would have had a ton of HM offers. It's no coincidence half of his HM offers came after he won MVP of the AAU Super Showcase his Junior year. I don't think you guys understand how important these things are. Greg Whittington who is 6'9 with all the talent in the world had no HM offers going into his Senior year because he wasn't on the circuit. We will see how he does but I would encourage you to actually watch the kid play rather than making assumptions based on very little info I've watched the clips. At the end of the day, it was LA Tech. Lack of AAU exposure or not, a judgment on his ability at the next level has been made through the process. This is a judgment made by people who do this for a living, including scouring the ends of the earth to find diamonds in the rough who lack AAU exposure. Something was missing to attract high major interest. You saw the "clips"... nuff said.... Coaches are lazy definitely not scouring the earth for talent... if you believe that how do you explain Ottos and Gregs lack of HM attention?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2015 14:57:45 GMT -5
I personally think they should have focused a little harder on 2016 first. We have two open slots (after Mosely fills the third) and no targets to fill them at the moment. This thinking or bad luck in recruiting could potentially leave us with 11 scholarship athletes next season. Less if we have defections. It's been discussed many times here, to have a successful program you have to have consistent recruiting. We had 2 very good classes and have thus far followed them up with a dud. (No offense to Mr. Mosely) Just can't happen anymore. I just find it weird that people continue to indirectly bash Jagan (a Hoyas) and pump up this kid when he's not even a Hoyas. I mean how many of you have even welcomed Jagan Mosley in the Jagan Mosley thread?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 19, 2015 16:02:05 GMT -5
I've watched the clips. At the end of the day, it was LA Tech. Lack of AAU exposure or not, a judgment on his ability at the next level has been made through the process. This is a judgment made by people who do this for a living, including scouring the ends of the earth to find diamonds in the rough who lack AAU exposure. Something was missing to attract high major interest. You saw the "clips"... nuff said.... Coaches are lazy definitely not scouring the earth for talent... if you believe that how do you explain Ottos and Gregs lack of HM attention? Otto selected Georgetown over offers from Kansas and a couple other high majors. Greg selected Georgetown over offer from UMd and a couple other high majors. DayDay selected LA Tech (great women's program) It's not about whether I've watched clips or seen him play. It's about high major programs not showing enough interest in signing DayDay. Facts are stubborn things.
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Post by lucky on Nov 19, 2015 17:17:35 GMT -5
I personally think they should have focused a little harder on 2016 first. We have two open slots (after Mosely fills the third) and no targets to fill them at the moment. This thinking or bad luck in recruiting could potentially leave us with 11 scholarship athletes next season. Less if we have defections. It's been discussed many times here, to have a successful program you have to have consistent recruiting. We had 2 very good classes and have thus far followed them up with a dud. (No offense to Mr. Mosely) Just can't happen anymore. I just find it weird that people continue to indirectly bash Jagan (a Hoyas) and pump up this kid when he's not even a Hoyas. I mean how many of you have even welcomed Jagan Mosley in the Jagan Mosley thread? I'm not bashing Mosely. I haven't seen him play and trust the others who have and said he's a player. What I am saying is a one man class when three scholarships are open is a dud. If it's was a one man class with the number one player in the nation that's a different story. There are now 8 uncommitted top 100 players in the nation and we aren't listed with them. The chances that this recruiting class ends up top 15 is very close to 0.
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Post by dense on Nov 19, 2015 17:59:44 GMT -5
I personally think they should have focused a little harder on 2016 first. We have two open slots (after Mosely fills the third) and no targets to fill them at the moment. This thinking or bad luck in recruiting could potentially leave us with 11 scholarship athletes next season. Less if we have defections. It's been discussed many times here, to have a successful program you have to have consistent recruiting. We had 2 very good classes and have thus far followed them up with a dud. (No offense to Mr. Mosely) Just can't happen anymore. There will be plenty of good players still available that havent "come to light" yet. i think we will take 1 more player at least maybe a transfer again.
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Post by dense on Nov 19, 2015 18:02:17 GMT -5
You saw the "clips"... nuff said.... Coaches are lazy definitely not scouring the earth for talent... if you believe that how do you explain Ottos and Gregs lack of HM attention? Otto selected Georgetown over offers from Kansas and a couple other high majors. Greg selected Georgetown over offer from UMd and a couple other high majors. DayDay selected LA Tech (great women's program) It's not about whether I've watched clips or seen him play. It's about high major programs not showing enough interest in signing DayDay. Facts are stubborn things. one thing though.....HM sometimes are waiting to see if people commit first. He seems to want to commit now and get it over with. I think he still could have gone to a lower HM school if he waited till Spring.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 19, 2015 18:35:30 GMT -5
I personally think they should have focused a little harder on 2016 first. We have two open slots (after Mosely fills the third) and no targets to fill them at the moment. This thinking or bad luck in recruiting could potentially leave us with 11 scholarship athletes next season. Less if we have defections. It's been discussed many times here, to have a successful program you have to have consistent recruiting. We had 2 very good classes and have thus far followed them up with a dud. (No offense to Mr. Mosely) Just can't happen anymore. I just find it weird that people continue to indirectly bash Jagan (a Hoyas) and pump up this kid when he's not even a Hoyas. I mean how many of you have even welcomed Jagan Mosley in the Jagan Mosley thread? People have no idea how good Jagan is already or how much upside he has especially as a lead guard. This kids potential is thru the roof. A 6'3" highly athletic PG with a 6'9" wingspan who is currently being coached by arguably the best high school coach in the country. Too many people are concerned with the number of stars that's next to his name on these ridiculous ranking sites. Jagan is a much better prospect (college and pro) then Woods (and it's not even close IMO) but most on this boards were so enamored with Woods because of the stars behind his name and a highlight video from 3 years ago when Woods dunked on a 5'10" kid. If you break down their abilities, they are very similar right now. Both have to improve their perimeter shooting to be impactful as freshman and are very good defenders at the high school levels. Woods might have a slight ball handling advantage but Jagan has a significant length advantage (height and wingspan). Jagan has the potential to be really really good. A lot of people compare him to Russel Westbrook because of build and skill set, who coincidentally was a 3 star guard like Mosely and after thought when he committed to UCLA. Back to Bracey, I find it so funny that so many people are disappointed that DayDay committed elsewhere when a couple months ago it seemed like YaBoy and myself were the only ones trying to tell everyone he would be a very good get if he committed to the Hoyas. I read everything on here debating his ability to play for Georgetown like "he is to short, he is not playing against any competition off of the shoes circuit, and he is only a 3 star with very few major offers to be able to help Georgetown". Now I'm reading this ridiculous conversation about the fact that he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech is proof he couldn't play at a high major and we dogged a bullet. First of all I blame Bracey for why he is not a Hoya. I'm pretty sure that if he would have committed back in February or even March, he would be a Hoya now. He decided to announce that he would make his decision in September, a whole 8 months after he was initially offered by JT3 and staff. Ty Frost committed really quickly after getting his offer and he will be a very good Hoya when he gots on campus. I don't want to here the ridiculous comment that he didn't have a commitable offer when he was on campus so often last winter and spring you would have thought he was already enrolled in classes and the coaching staff was checking in on him all spring and summer long. Back to this utterly ridiculous conversation about Bracey not being good enough to play at a high major because he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech. If Bracey wanted to play at a "High Major" he would have committed in the spring signing period instead of the early period. If he had done so, he would have been a heavily sought after commodity in the mold of Devonte Graham at Kansas and countless other players who may get overlooked in the early signing period. I don't blame him for taking the opportunity at La Tech. If you read the tweets from their fan base, they know they got a huge steal whereas this fan base including the write up on casualHoya and a high majority of the comments this board weren't very excited to say the least about his potential commitment. You ask any of these high school prospects what there number one priority is and most of them will tell you it's to be wanted! YaBoy is absolutely right that coaches are extremely lazy in recruiting. They are also afraid to be wrong when it comes to recruiting. If they are wrong to often on recruits, it can cost them their job. I think that was the main reason (outside of Brennan) that JT3 changed the staff a couple years ago. Most of the early early recruiting is done by the assistants and the head coach makes the final decision but in Bracey's case I know JT3 was heavily involved. I was at a game in January between Gilman and St. Francis Academy and JT3 was there in the front row early watching the game and that was after it was publicly known that Bracey had an offer. At the end of the day, Bracey is not a Hoya because he didn't take advantage of the opportunity for whatever reason, and that left the door opened for Mosely who when was offered the opportunity said yes within a couple weeks of the initial offer.
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Post by Talos on Nov 19, 2015 18:49:42 GMT -5
I just find it weird that people continue to indirectly bash Jagan (a Hoyas) and pump up this kid when he's not even a Hoyas. I mean how many of you have even welcomed Jagan Mosley in the Jagan Mosley thread? People have no idea how good Jagan is already or how much upside he has especially as a lead guard. This kids potential is thru the roof. A 6'3" highly athletic PG with a 6'9" wingspan who is currently being coached by arguably the best high school coach in the country. Too many people are concerned with the number of stars that's next to his name on these ridiculous ranking sites. Jagan is a much better prospect (college and pro) then Woods (and it's not even close IMO) but most on this boards were so enamored with Woods because of the stars behind his name and a highlight video from 3 years ago when Woods dunked on a 5'10" kid. If you break down their abilities, they are very similar right now. Both have to improve their perimeter shooting to be impactful as freshman and are very good defenders at the high school levels. Woods might have a slight ball handling advantage but Jagan has a significant length advantage (height and wingspan). Jagan has the potential to be really really good. A lot of people compare him to Russel Westbrook because of build and skill set, who coincidentally was a 3 star guard like Mosely and after thought when he committed to UCLA. Back to Bracey, I find it so funny that so many people are disappointed that DayDay committed elsewhere when a couple months ago it seemed like YaBoy and myself were the only ones trying to tell everyone he would be a very good get if he committed to the Hoyas. I read everything on here debating his ability to play for Georgetown like "he is to short, he is not playing against any competition off of the shoes circuit, and he is only a 3 star with very few major offers to be able to help Georgetown". Now I'm reading this ridiculous conversation about the fact that he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech is proof he couldn't play at a high major and we dogged a bullet. First of all I blame Bracey for why he is not a Hoya. I'm pretty sure that if he would have committed back in February or even March, he would be a Hoya now. He decided to announce that he would make his decision in September, a whole 8 months after he was initially offered by JT3 and staff. Ty Frost committed really quickly after getting his offer and he will be a very good Hoya when he gots on campus. I don't want to here the ridiculous comment that he didn't have a commitable offer when he was on campus so often last winter and spring you would have thought he was already enrolled in classes and the coaching staff was checking in on him all spring and summer long. Back to this utterly ridiculous conversation about Bracey not being good enough to play at a high major because he committed to a "Mid Major" in La Tech. If Bracey wanted to play at a "High Major" he would have committed in the spring signing period instead of the early period. If he had done so, he would have been a heavily sought after commodity in the mold of Devonte Graham at Kansas and countless other players who may get overlooked in the early signing period. I don't blame him for taking the opportunity at La Tech. If you read the tweets from their fan base, they know they got a huge steal whereas this fan base including the write up on casualHoya and a high majority of the comments this board weren't very excited to say the least about his potential commitment. You ask any of these high school prospects what there number one priority is and most of them will tell you it's to be wanted! YaBoy is absolutely right that coaches are extremely lazy in recruiting. They are also afraid to be wrong when it comes to recruiting. If they are wrong to often on recruits, it can cost them their job. I think that was the main reason (outside of Brennan) that JT3 changed the staff a couple years ago. Most of the early early recruiting is done by the assistants and the head coach makes the final decision but in Bracey's case I know JT3 was heavily involved. I was at a game in January between Gilman and St. Francis Academy and JT3 was there in the front row early watching the game and that was after it was publicly known that Bracey had an offer. At the end of the day, Bracey is not a Hoya because he didn't take advantage of the opportunity for whatever reason, and that left the door opened for Mosely who when was offered the opportunity said yes within a couple weeks of the initial offer. Agree 100%. Bracey was not at the top of my list for 2016 guards, but I still would have been happy to have him. He has high-level quickness and ability to create off the bounce; that is enough for me. Yes, he's short, and yes he needs to work on his jumper, but I still viewed him as a poor man's Ulis. I think most of the high majors were probably prioritizing higher rated guards and waiting to see where they all landed before going after Bracey. Interesting that Bracey, Adams, and Jackson all committed to mid-majors early when if they had waited until spring would have had lots of high major interest. After missing out on all our top 100 guard targets, I would have been satisfied with a spring signing of Jackson or Bracey.
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