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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 15, 2015 10:07:46 GMT -5
Ball fake, spins away from 2 defenders dribbles past a 3rd and makes a nice no look pass in the pocket to a Big for a dunk ... I understand it's not going to make you drool like watching a kid do 10 360's but it's good basketball and I'm not sure we have anyone on our current roster who can make this play tbh... If not Bracey just give me a kid that bring some of these attributes to the table please. AMEN! Was that a miss call he looked like he double dribbled the inbound.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2015 10:36:01 GMT -5
DSR is crafty, but not quick. Tre is quick, but not crafty. We need quick and crafty. Daquan may fit the bill.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 15, 2015 10:43:57 GMT -5
I said from the beginning of this kids recruitment that if signed he would bring a dimension to this team not seen since Wright. I am holding out hope that he signs with the Hoyas. If the current members of this team, absent seniors are here when he comes, he could indeed make high NBA choices of Copeland,White, Peak, Govan and Derrickson. DSR with all of his positive attributes will never be that kind of guard. I had hoped and still hold out some hope that Campbell would develope in to that kind of pg. Yesterday though he looked like a senior high school guard playing on a college team. Bracey probably will not go to the NBA unless he developes a deadly 3pt accuracy, but he will make those playing with him better and make their NBA prospects that much higher. DSR unfortunately can not do that and Campbell so far has not shown that he can do that either.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 15, 2015 12:31:25 GMT -5
Ball fake, spins away from 2 defenders dribbles past a 3rd and makes a nice no look pass in the pocket to a Big for a dunk .. I understand it's not going to make you drool like watching a kid do 10 360's but it's good basketball and I'm not sure we have anyone on our current roster who can make this play tbh... If not Bracey just give me a kid that bring some of these attributes to the table please. Beautiful basketball play right there.. You're right about Gtown's guards not being able make these types plays consistently, sad part is that it's just basic/fundamental basketball.. I always remember Bilas saying how Gtown practices the fast break less than any team he's ever seen and it shows year after year..
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 15, 2015 12:39:22 GMT -5
Ball fake, spins away from 2 defenders dribbles past a 3rd and makes a nice no look pass in the pocket to a Big for a dunk .. I understand it's not going to make you drool like watching a kid do 10 360's but it's good basketball and I'm not sure we have anyone on our current roster who can make this play tbh... If not Bracey just give me a kid that bring some of these attributes to the table please. Beautiful basketball play right there.. You're right about Gtown's guards not being able make these types plays consistently, sad part is that it's just basic/fundamental basketball.. I always remember Bilas saying how Gtown practices the fast break less than any team he's ever seen and it shows year after year.. That's pretty sad honestly. Now since the shot clock has been decreased, is it possible that JT3 will scale back on his offensive philosophy and let his team run more? That's going to be very interesting to see, if that will come about.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 15, 2015 15:21:35 GMT -5
I think JTIII wants to run when available but has a half court base offense. Wanting to run and having the personnel to do it is two different things.
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Post by Talos on Nov 15, 2015 16:17:08 GMT -5
I think JTIII wants to run when available but has a half court base offense. Wanting to run and having the personnel to do it is two different things. Agreed. I think JTIII will run when it's appropriate and he has the right personnel. If you look at this year's roster, we have a lot of skilled players but not a lot of high-level run/jump athletes. I think the roster composition is better suited to half-court offense.
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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 15, 2015 19:26:20 GMT -5
This whole we don't have run and jump athletes thing is old now. If it's true, then that's on JT3. But I'm not sure it is. You are telling me that a team with Tre, Ike, Peak and Kaleb isn't athletic and couldn't run? Even as slow as DSR looks sometime, he certainly can drive the ball and be good in an up tempo offense.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 15, 2015 19:29:20 GMT -5
I think JTIII wants to run when available but has a half court base offense. Wanting to run and having the personnel to do it is two different things. So he's always had a half court base scheme ever since he took over the Hoyas. The past 2-3 seasons he's been recruiting guys with length, especially on the perimeter. The question is, will he let his players run the floor and use their athletic ability to make plays happen on the court? I really believe that since the shot clock has been sped up, this may take some time for JT3 to get adjusted.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 16, 2015 13:57:55 GMT -5
I think JTIII wants to run when available but has a half court base offense. Wanting to run and having the personnel to do it is two different things. So he's always had a half court base scheme ever since he took over the Hoyas. The past 2-3 seasons he's been recruiting guys with length, especially on the perimeter. The question is, will he let his players run the floor and use their athletic ability to make plays happen on the court? I really believe that since the shot clock has been sped up, this may take some time for JT3 to get adjusted. I think you are correct here. Ronnie Thompson mentioned several times during the game that Radford was employing a soft press , not to steal the ball, but to take time away from the Hoyas getting into their sets. This is a tactic I see other teams doing with the shot clock now being at 30 seconds. The question is not whether JTIII will adjust but will DSR adjust. Will he allow a soft press to make him stop and pass the ball each time or will he power dribble the ball into the front court? Does he trust his handle to do this? If Campbell does not improve his play as a play maker in his decisions of when to shoot and when to set up his teammates then the task falls all on DSR shoulders. As someone else said right now the Hoyas have a pg who is crafty but not fast and a pg who is fast and not crafty. DSR can not improve his speed anymore, he has lost all the weight he can and still be healthy. He can though impove his handle, such that he trusts it to power dribble up the court past the one defender riding his left hip. Campbell hopefully can improve his decision making . The promise of a successful season by Hoya standards is dependent on one or both improving on the aforementioned deficiencies.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 16, 2015 14:54:04 GMT -5
So he's always had a half court base scheme ever since he took over the Hoyas. The past 2-3 seasons he's been recruiting guys with length, especially on the perimeter. The question is, will he let his players run the floor and use their athletic ability to make plays happen on the court? I really believe that since the shot clock has been sped up, this may take some time for JT3 to get adjusted. I think you are correct here. Ronnie Thompson mentioned several times during the game that Radford was employing a soft press , not to steal the ball, but to take time away from the Hoyas getting into their sets. This is a tactic I see other teams doing with the shot clock now being at 30 seconds. The question is not whether JTIII will adjust but will DSR adjust. Will he allow a soft press to make him stop and pass the ball each time or will he power dribble the ball into the front court? Does he trust his handle to do this? If Campbell does not improve his play as a play maker in his decisions of when to shoot and when to set up his teammates then the task falls all on DSR shoulders. As someone else said right now the Hoyas have a pg who is crafty but not fast and a pg who is fast and not crafty. DSR can not improve his speed anymore, he has lost all the weight he can and still be healthy. He can though impove his handle, such that he trusts it to power dribble up the court past the one defender riding his left hip. Campbell hopefully can improve his decision making . The promise of a successful season by Hoya standards is dependent on one or both improving on the aforementioned deficiencies. Also Ronnie stated that the Hoyas didn't even press during the game, and they only pressed the last few seconds of the game to send it to overtime twice. This seems as if JT3 isn't about changing up the philosophy (either on offense or defense) at times to make the opposition adjust.
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Post by jld on Nov 16, 2015 15:03:13 GMT -5
Watching the game on Saturday, the Radford guards blew by the GU guards virtually at will, and then were more open for the outside shot because we played off them.
Given the 30 second clock I think that guard like Bracey is valuable in the half-court in two ways. First, he can help break the soft press referred to above -- this will give more time to set up the half-court offense. Secondly, a team needs a guard who can the get ball and go with under 8 on the shot clock when the set play has not worked. This scenario on the clock seemed much more prevalent on Saturday and I did not realize until after the game that the new 30 second rule was in play.
I know that a guard like Bracey may not fit the GU/Princeton style of play because of the lack of a great outside shot, but wonder if CBB has changed to the point where this type of guard is now an absolute necessity. This is not to say that JTIII is stubborn, etc. These changes will affect all teams and wonder if we will be able to adjust.
I have no idea if Bracey will go to GU -- there are many variables, but clearly a change in style may be needed.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2015 15:46:14 GMT -5
Also Ronnie stated that the Hoyas didn't even press during the game, and they only pressed the last few seconds of the game to send it to overtime twice. This seems as if JT3 isn't about changing up the philosophy (either on offense or defense) at times to make the opposition adjust. Can we believe that he wasn't showing his cards before the Maryland game?
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 16, 2015 15:57:39 GMT -5
I think you are correct here. Ronnie Thompson mentioned several times during the game that Radford was employing a soft press , not to steal the ball, but to take time away from the Hoyas getting into their sets. This is a tactic I see other teams doing with the shot clock now being at 30 seconds. The question is not whether JTIII will adjust but will DSR adjust. Will he allow a soft press to make him stop and pass the ball each time or will he power dribble the ball into the front court? Does he trust his handle to do this? If Campbell does not improve his play as a play maker in his decisions of when to shoot and when to set up his teammates then the task falls all on DSR shoulders. As someone else said right now the Hoyas have a pg who is crafty but not fast and a pg who is fast and not crafty. DSR can not improve his speed anymore, he has lost all the weight he can and still be healthy. He can though impove his handle, such that he trusts it to power dribble up the court past the one defender riding his left hip. Campbell hopefully can improve his decision making . The promise of a successful season by Hoya standards is dependent on one or both improving on the aforementioned deficiencies. Also Ronnie stated that the Hoyas didn't even press during the game, and they only pressed the last few seconds of the game to send it to overtime twice. This seems as if JT3 isn't about changing up the philosophy (either on offense or defense) at times to make the opposition adjust. The Hoyas need to press and we have the team to do it on every inbound. I know I'm going to hear it from someone but; Govan, Copeland, Kaleb, Peak, and DSR have the most mobility, length and speed to press on an inbound. We just need Copeland to play a little bit better defense. I would've like to thrown Campbell into the equation with his speed but he has a hard time staying in front of his man and Hayes and White are kinda slow.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 16, 2015 16:02:57 GMT -5
Also Ronnie stated that the Hoyas didn't even press during the game, and they only pressed the last few seconds of the game to send it to overtime twice. This seems as if JT3 isn't about changing up the philosophy (either on offense or defense) at times to make the opposition adjust. Can we believe that he wasn't showing his cards before the Maryland game? I thought about that one myself, there are spies everywhere (Robert Carter played in Kenner League).
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 16, 2015 16:08:32 GMT -5
Why no Mourning in the Radford game is the number one question I have. I was a bit surprised to see Cameron get minutes prior to him. Maybe he starts against MD and takes them completely by surprise.
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 16, 2015 16:26:03 GMT -5
Why no Mourning in the Radford game is the number one question I have. I was a bit surprised to see Cameron get minutes prior to him. Maybe he starts against MD and takes them completely by surprise. I was wondering the same. Didn't he start in Italy?
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 16, 2015 16:27:40 GMT -5
My bad, wrong thread for this question.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 16, 2015 20:48:36 GMT -5
Also Ronnie stated that the Hoyas didn't even press during the game, and they only pressed the last few seconds of the game to send it to overtime twice. This seems as if JT3 isn't about changing up the philosophy (either on offense or defense) at times to make the opposition adjust. Can we believe that he wasn't showing his cards before the Maryland game? I would like to believe that, but I'll hold off until the Hoyas play the Terps.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 16, 2015 22:35:55 GMT -5
Could the OP please update the thread title once Bracey verbals somewhere, anywhere? Please and thank you.
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