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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:13:11 GMT -5
Of course it is a team game and our success won't totally depend on DayDay or any one recruit. The point is, an elite guard recruit like Seventh Woods would have the ability to elevate our program above our current trajectory, thereby taking us to a higher competitive level. DayDay is not viewed by any reliable recruiting source as an elite, game changing recruit. He's basically a back-stop recruit who, if successful, can't be predicted to do any more than maintain and complement the team. Missing out on Woods is missing out on a game changer. Ranch if I may chime in, Woods is not a game changer! He is an elite athlete but an average perimeter shooter at best (numbers never lie). There is a reason he dropped from an elite 5 star recruit early on in his high school career and has dropped to a consensus four star. He hasn't improved as a perimeter shooter enough to be a definite game changer. A game changer is a kid that can carry a program. A.I. was a game changer! Anthony Davis was a game changer. Okafor was a game changer for Duke last year? There are maybe 5 known game changers per class a possibly a couple surprise game changers. Woods is more of a good piece to the puzzle but would not be a game changer. Well we aren't getting "game changers" any time soon with Calipari/Kentucky, Duke and Kansas hogging all the top recruits. I suppose Turgeon and Maryland are making inroads but Turgeon is a Calipari lackey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:13:49 GMT -5
What is your point? Think everybody on the board knows Stephs history...lol Simply that Steph Curry is a bad example of what you are trying to illustrate. The recruiting services evaluated him as a 6-0 shooting guard. No one could really predict that he would have a 4 inch growth spurt in college. There are examples of those things happening (David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Sam Dekker) but it's still quite rare. Just look at the Hoyas over the last 10 years, there hasn't really been a single guy on those teams who has had a significant growth spurt in college. But everyone can predict day days future? Lol it makes my point perfectly that rankings dont mean ...
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:14:52 GMT -5
The native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Michigan State played most of the game with #110 Travis Trice and UR Bryn Forbes playing at guard. I fail to see how our backcourt of #60 LJ Peak and roughly #125 Tre Campbell is disadvantaged in recruiting sparkle points. Wisconsin played #79 Koenig and some dude named Josh Gasser. Again, I fail to see how even our post-DSR backcourt is awful. I don't think anyone said it was going to be awful.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 6, 2015 15:15:26 GMT -5
Here's the players from 2011 that were within 5 ranks of 40:
Dominique Pointer Trevor Lacey Adjehi Baru Maurice Harkless Johnny O'Bryant Jakarr Sampson Ben McLemore Rashad "Ky" Madden Nick Faust LaQuinton Ross Dai-Jon Parker
A couple of pros -- one who even helped his club for longer than half a year, a few nice role players and four complete "who?"
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:19:31 GMT -5
Simply that Steph Curry is a bad example of what you are trying to illustrate. The recruiting services evaluated him as a 6-0 shooting guard. No one could really predict that he would have a 4 inch growth spurt in college. There are examples of those things happening (David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Sam Dekker) but it's still quite rare. Just look at the Hoyas over the last 10 years, there hasn't really been a single guy on those teams who has had a significant growth spurt in college. But everyone can predict day days future? Lol it makes my point perfectly that rankings dont mean ... If you could predict growth spurts sure. A 6-8 DSR would be monstrous. 7-0 Copeland. Even a 7-0 Lubick! But significant growth spurts are quite rare at the college level so I wouldn't expect that to happen.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:22:57 GMT -5
Here's the players from 2011 that were within 5 ranks of 40: Dominique Pointer Trevor Lacey Adjehi Baru Maurice Harkless Johnny O'Bryant Jakarr Sampson Ben McLemore Rashad "Ky" Madden Nick Faust LaQuinton Ross Dai-Jon Parker A couple of pros -- one who even helped his club for longer than half a year, a few nice role players and four complete "who?" Now what you need to do is compare those 11 players to 111 players in the 150 range. I would assume that the aforementioned 11 contributed alot more than guys 150-161 or even 100-111.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 6, 2015 15:34:08 GMT -5
Here's the players from 2011 that were within 5 ranks of 40: Dominique Pointer Trevor Lacey Adjehi Baru Maurice Harkless Johnny O'Bryant Jakarr Sampson Ben McLemore Rashad "Ky" Madden Nick Faust LaQuinton Ross Dai-Jon Parker A couple of pros -- one who even helped his club for longer than half a year, a few nice role players and four complete "who?" Now what you need to do is compare those 11 players to 111 players in the 150 range. I would assume that the aforementioned 11 contributed alot more than guys 150-161 or even 100-111. And I would, if the argument were "the average 40th ranked player outplays the average 150th ranked player." But it's not. I'm willing to concede that point. The argument here that I am fighting are basically statements like these: Woods is a GAME CHANGER. We can't wing anything with Daquan Bracey. Woods is definitively going to be better than Bracey. I'm not saying we should ignore rankings -- heck, on another thread I am arguing to not give up on top players. I'm just saying that people shouldn't act like the future is determined. In 2011, I'm sure everyone wanted PJ Hairston (including US) and were sad when he went to UNC. We were SO EditedED when #56 Tyrone Johnson picked Villanova. But Delon Wright was unranked and was better than 90%+ of point guards on that list. There's a string of 4 PGS in the midrankings -- Chris Jones, Ryan Boatwright, Chasson Randle and Tracy Abrams. People now will point to Boatright, but there's a chance you get Abrams. That's my point.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 6, 2015 15:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 6, 2015 16:32:13 GMT -5
What is your point? Think everybody on the board knows Stephs history...lol Simply that Steph Curry is a bad example of what you are trying to illustrate. The recruiting services evaluated him as a 6-0 shooting guard. No one could really predict that he would have a 4 inch growth spurt in college. There are examples of those things happening (David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Sam Dekker) but it's still quite rare. Just look at the Hoyas over the last 10 years, there hasn't really been a single guy on those teams who has had a significant growth spurt in college. ....and a growth spurt isn't the only reason for his rise...
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 6, 2015 20:02:46 GMT -5
That makes no sense... One kid doesn't make that so... Who were the high level top 100 guards on Wisconsin or Michigan State last year? It's a TEAM not 1 playerThe native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Some couple actually named their kid Lourawls? SMH. Is anyone named Algreen out there?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 21:21:02 GMT -5
The native American super athlete Bronson Keonig: Rivals 4 star #73/Scout 4 star/ESPN 3 star. Wisconsin beat out Duke, UNC and UVA for his services. Michigan State: 4 star Lourawls Nairn and 4 star Denzel Valentine. 3 star #110 Travis Trice Some couple actually named their kid Lourawls? SMH. Is anyone named Algreen out there? Yes on Bracey.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 7, 2015 9:47:32 GMT -5
How about Barrywhite?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 12:22:24 GMT -5
But everyone can predict day days future? Lol it makes my point perfectly that rankings dont mean ... If you could predict growth spurts sure. A 6-8 DSR would be monstrous. 7-0 Copeland. Even a 7-0 Lubick! But significant growth spurts are quite rare at the college level so I wouldn't expect that to happen. ? Steph Curry isn't Steph Curry because he grew 2 inches in College... Growing 2 inches didn't give him an elite handle or shot... Damian Lillard, Elfrid Payton,Trey Burke Steve Nash, C. J. McCollum if you want to nit pick about Curry. Players develop at their own rate and nobody knows what the future holds for any of these recruits.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 7, 2015 18:31:40 GMT -5
Jesus Christ our lord and saviour does.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Nov 7, 2015 19:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 8, 2015 22:00:26 GMT -5
I saw Curry drop 53 on the Pelicans last week. I still haven't forgiven him for 2008, but he is really good.
That said, Bracey.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 9, 2015 19:54:47 GMT -5
Some couple actually named their kid Lourawls? SMH. Is anyone named Algreen out there? Yes on Bracey. LMAO. Unbelievable.
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Post by matersammich on Nov 11, 2015 10:15:02 GMT -5
Yes on Bracey.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 11, 2015 10:21:10 GMT -5
Will be very interesting to see whether we turn our focus to him, or wait to see what might be available come spring. I have a feeling Mr. Bracey may hear from us soon.
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