EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2015 12:23:38 GMT -5
WVU would be a good look for Bracey imo.. So would Georgetown... His game translates anywhere. But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's?
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Post by IDenj on Sept 7, 2015 12:27:29 GMT -5
As much as I wanted him to verbal us back when he made up his mind, it is on him for deciding to postpone the announcement ( in regards to becoming a Hoya ). I fully appreciate the stance of the program here. They weren't going to be left without a chair when the music stopped. We are at least in a final list with 3 top 100 guards. The staff felt it needed to consider all options. How much they backed off is up in the air. But if Beacey wants to be a Hoya then he should wait until the season starts and see where everyone is at that point.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 7, 2015 12:39:45 GMT -5
So would Georgetown... His game translates anywhere. But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's? Why are we as fans so married to a system that hasn't produced much in 10 yrs? I understand if JT3 and the staff are all in on "the system" (which to my eyes JT3 has adjusted each of the last 4 yrs) but we as fans should want some change being that we haven't sniff winning in 10 yrs. In fact I really haven't seen the Princeton O be really affective against anyone since Otto left the Hilltop. The writing is on the wall, "guard play wins in the NCAAs". We need to change the narrative about GTown and guard play. If we need to take a flyer on a jitterbug that is a little undersized than I say sign me up. If it doesn't work it will not be hard to go back to "the system".........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 12:42:16 GMT -5
So would Georgetown... His game translates anywhere. But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's? Not really... They run Motion. The Princeton is a motion offense. They invert bigs, they back cut, they dribble had-off, they do a lot of the same things we dothat's why they were always good at defending our sets..
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2015 13:03:01 GMT -5
But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's? Why are we as fans so married to a system that hasn't produced much in 10 yrs? I understand if JT3 and the staff are all in on "the system" (which to my eyes JT3 has adjusted each of the last 4 yrs) but we as fans should want some change being that we haven't sniff winning in 10 yrs. In fact I really haven't seen the Princeton O be really affective against anyone since Otto left the Hilltop. The writing is on the wall, "guard play wins in the NCAAs". We need to change the narrative about GTown and guard play. If we need to take a flyer on a jitterbug that is a little undersized than I say sign me up. If it doesn't work it will not be hard to go back to "the system"......... We as fans have zero control or say in what a coaching staff will run, to me we have to accept it or move on(see RDF).. That being said, I would rather the coach recruit to the system he prefers without fail.. JT3 has changed somewhat but that was mainly due to the lack of talent in the program, especially in the frontcourt.. Now that the talent has been upgraded I think we'll see a much crisper & efficient team..
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2015 13:19:34 GMT -5
But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's? Not really... They run Motion. The Princeton is a motion offense. They invert bigs, they back cut, they dribble had-off, they do a lot of the same things we dothat's why they were always good at defending our sets.. True but doesn't he mainly do this thru his guards not his bigs? I was mainly thinking his use of pressing & trapping in the full court would be more suited to Bracey..
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 7, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -5
Not really... They run Motion. The Princeton is a motion offense. They invert bigs, they back cut, they dribble had-off, they do a lot of the same things we dothat's why they were always good at defending our sets.. True but doesn't he mainly do this thru his guards not his bigs? I was mainly thinking his use of pressing & trapping in the full court would be more suited to Bracey.. Pressing and trapping usually favor long tall athletic athletes. Fighting Illini were a great example with their interchangeable parts fielding 6-4 Kendall Gill and 6-5 Stephan Bardo in the backcourt along with 6-5 Nick Anderson and 6-6 Kenny Battle at the forwards. Also helps to have a 7 foot defensive erase in case they beat the press.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 13:31:55 GMT -5
Not really... They run Motion. The Princeton is a motion offense. They invert bigs, they back cut, they dribble had-off, they do a lot of the same things we dothat's why they were always good at defending our sets.. True but doesn't he mainly do this thru his guards not his bigs? I was mainly thinking his use of pressing & trapping in the full court would be more suited to Bracey.. He runs it through whomever is his most talented player.. Da'Sean Butler, Joe Alexander, Juwan Staten etc..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 7, 2015 23:07:24 GMT -5
But wouldn't you say his game would fit better in Huggins system than it would in JT3's? Why are we as fans so married to a system that hasn't produced much in 10 yrs? I understand if JT3 and the staff are all in on "the system" (which to my eyes JT3 has adjusted each of the last 4 yrs) but we as fans should want some change being that we haven't sniff winning in 10 yrs. In fact I really haven't seen the Princeton O be really affective against anyone since Otto left the Hilltop. The writing is on the wall, "guard play wins in the NCAAs". We need to change the narrative about GTown and guard play. If we need to take a flyer on a jitterbug that is a little undersized than I say sign me up. If it doesn't work it will not be hard to go back to "the system"......... As you said, John Thompson III has adjusted his "system" over the years. I really don't know what his ideal system would even look like, but we certainly haven't been running a Princeton offense for several years, though we obviously have aspects of it integrated into the offense. The best offensive years, though (2007 and 2008), were years where the offense was closer to a true Princeton offense than what we've seen the last several years. Of course, the big difference was the 2007 and 2008 teams had high level NBA talent.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 8, 2015 5:06:41 GMT -5
Why are we as fans so married to a system that hasn't produced much in 10 yrs? I understand if JT3 and the staff are all in on "the system" (which to my eyes JT3 has adjusted each of the last 4 yrs) but we as fans should want some change being that we haven't sniff winning in 10 yrs. In fact I really haven't seen the Princeton O be really affective against anyone since Otto left the Hilltop. The writing is on the wall, "guard play wins in the NCAAs". We need to change the narrative about GTown and guard play. If we need to take a flyer on a jitterbug that is a little undersized than I say sign me up. If it doesn't work it will not be hard to go back to "the system"......... As you said, John Thompson III has adjusted his "system" over the years. I really don't know what his ideal system would even look like, but we certainly haven't been running a Princeton offense for several years, though we obviously have aspects of it integrated into the offense. The best offensive years, though (2007 and 2008), were years where the offense was closer to a true Princeton offense than what we've seen the last several years. Of course, the big difference was the 2007 and 2008 teams had high level NBA talent. You can't even run a true Princeton offense when you have bigs like Lubick and Hopkins who can't shoot and aren't scoring threats. In fact it becomes very hard to run any offense when the bigs can't score.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 8, 2015 18:11:46 GMT -5
IF we don't get one of Woods, Jones or Brown, I'll be disappointed we didn't take Bracey when we had the opportunity.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 8, 2015 19:46:48 GMT -5
IF we don't get one of Woods, Jones or Brown, I'll be disappointed we didn't take Bracey when we had the opportunity. If he had really wanted to come here he should have accepted when offered instead of looking around. We can't wait around for guys, we've been burned in the past by guys like Nerlen Noels.
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Post by alleninxis on Sept 8, 2015 20:19:07 GMT -5
We still run a lot of Princeton. A lot. But, the missed reality by the masses is that we do not play slow.
And III runs good offense. I much prefer our Princeton looks to other teams aimlessly running ball screens over and over. Grass isn't always greener.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 9, 2015 8:02:02 GMT -5
We still run a lot of Princeton. A lot. But, the missed reality by the masses is that we do not play slow. And III runs good offense. I much prefer our Princeton looks to other teams aimlessly running ball screens over and over. Grass isn't always greener. We don't play slow but we aren't fast either. At best our pace is average to a bit below average. Also, the 2007 and 2008 teams were among the slowest paced in Division 1 and they were our best teams.
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Post by dense on Sept 9, 2015 11:32:21 GMT -5
We still run a lot of Princeton. A lot. But, the missed reality by the masses is that we do not play slow. And III runs good offense. I much prefer our Princeton looks to other teams aimlessly running ball screens over and over. Grass isn't always greener. We don't play slow but we aren't fast either. At best our pace is average to a bit below average. Also, the 2007 and 2008 teams were among the slowest paced in Division 1 and they were our best teams. Those teams loved to outsmart opponents. They kinda took the personality of the coach.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 19, 2015 20:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 19, 2015 20:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 19, 2015 20:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by Talos on Sept 20, 2015 10:09:13 GMT -5
It's beginning to look more and more like things will come full circle and Bracey might be our second guard recruit...
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 20, 2015 15:33:06 GMT -5
It's beginning to look more and more like things will come full circle and Bracey might be our second guard recruit... Yes please give me some Da Da....I know I'm in the minority on this board but I want Mr. Bracey....
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