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Post by bostonfan on Mar 11, 2016 16:24:52 GMT -5
If Copeland declares for the draft it will be a huge mistake on his part. He may have a future in the NBA, but he is not ready at this point. If he was willing to defer to DRR all season this year he is just just not confident or aggressive enough to play at the next level at this point. Stranger things have happened with other players but I would be really surprised if Copeland declared for the draft.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 11, 2016 17:15:51 GMT -5
To me, he's less of a need than a guard who can take minutes from Campbell. However, if Copeland declares, he'd be an interesting option. I think he'd be more useful than Agau next year. Where are you getting this from??? September 2015
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Post by BigmanU on Mar 12, 2016 11:03:45 GMT -5
Where are you getting this from??? September 2015 Excuse me if I'm late to the party. Copeland said in September he was declaring after this season??
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2016 12:23:35 GMT -5
Excuse me if I'm late to the party. Copeland said in September he was declaring after this season?? No no no. There was some discussion here in Sept. because he showed up on a draft list.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 12, 2016 12:40:49 GMT -5
Do not be surprised if Isaac (and others) test the waters. New rules this year allow players to try out at combine, if invited, and see where they stand. They have two weeks to decide after that and even are permitted to try out with each NBA team once. Fans will need to adjust to the reality that more players will put their names out there, but with little risk in that they will know exactly where they stand when they make final decisions. In that scenario, it seems unlikely we lose players to the NBA draft.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2016 10:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 11:23:25 GMT -5
Crazy his pops is the coach supposedly got death threats from members of the Lobo fan base..wow
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Post by swhoya on Mar 14, 2016 11:41:06 GMT -5
Crazy his pops is the coach supposedly got death threats from members of the Lobo fan base..wow Sad thing is that he's not a bad player. Just wasn't suited to being the focal point of the Lobo's offense. He will be better off somewhere that he's a complimentary player. And not the coach's son.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 11:46:37 GMT -5
Crazy his pops is the coach supposedly got death threats from members of the Lobo fan base..wow Sad thing is that he's not a bad player. Just wasn't suited to being the focal point of the Lobo's offense. He will be better off somewhere that he's a complimentary player. And not the coach's son. Actually been to a UNM game at the PIT. their fans are ridiculously rabid since it's the only show in town. Definitely could see how that would be a problem for him since he's the coaches son and they had a tough year
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2016 11:50:29 GMT -5
I'd definitely kick the tires with him, I like the fact that he has two years of experience/eligibility.. After reading up on him, he'll probably stay out west..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 11:52:17 GMT -5
Jordan Price from La Salle is a possible grad guy but he will be in high demand if he decides to go that route..
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Post by calhoya on Mar 14, 2016 13:07:29 GMT -5
I have watched Neal in AAU since high school. He has the measurables, at 6'4" and relatively quick. As a Freshman he shot the deep ball well and does go the basket well for a p,Ayer of his size. He combined with Alford's kid and together they played well on the circuit in the southwest. He is very bright and is graduating with a 3.8 GPA in communications with two years of eligibility left. However, in college he has often been reckless and tends to be a little over the top during games with the type of personality that enrages opposing fans. As he toned it down his play suffered. High turnovers and a tendency to play out of control in New Mexico's uptempo, high risk, high reward offense. I believe that his downfall came with the position switch to pg by his father. Also in fairness to the rabid Lobo fans, I saw several games this year when Cullen's play did not justify his minutes and with a large number of young guards on the bench there was considerable discontent over the perceived favoritism. Based upon what I have read here on this board, I cannot imagine that Neal would not immediately incur the wrath of Hoya fans, barring a complete change in the way he plays.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 14, 2016 20:31:26 GMT -5
I have watched Neal in AAU since high school. He has the measurables, at 6'4" and relatively quick. As a Freshman he shot the deep ball well and does go the basket well for a p,Ayer of his size. He combined with Alford's kid and together they played well on the circuit in the southwest. He is very bright and is graduating with a 3.8 GPA in communications with two years of eligibility left. However, in college he has often been reckless and tends to be a little over the top during games with the type of personality that enrages opposing fans. As he toned it down his play suffered. High turnovers and a tendency to play out of control in New Mexico's uptempo, high risk, high reward offense. I believe that his downfall came with the position switch to pg by his father. Also in fairness to the rabid Lobo fans, I saw several games this year when Cullen's play did not justify his minutes and with a large number of young guards on the bench there was considerable discontent over the perceived favoritism. Based upon what I have read here on this board, I cannot imagine that Neal would not immediately incur the wrath of Hoya fans, barring a complete change in the way he plays. Anybody we bring in as a 2016 recruit, at this stage, is going to have warts. He's either going to be a graduate transfer who is looking for greener pastures in the latter part of his college career, an unproven JUCO (likely with questionable academics), or an under the radar/late bloomer high school senior. The thing the coaching staff has to think about is will the recruit provide a good option for minutes in 2016-2017. To me, it would be very difficult for a guy like Neal to be any worse than what Tre Campbell was this season. As such, you kick the tires and see if he'd be interested. But we cannot go into 2016-2017 with Tre Campbell likely to get 20+ minutes, at least if we expect to be any good.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 14, 2016 20:59:10 GMT -5
I'd definitely kick the tires with him, I like the fact that he has two years of experience/eligibility.. After reading up on him, he'll probably stay out west.. Hard Pass. I'm an SDSU fan, so I see NM pretty often, and from what I have seen Cullen Neal is garbage. Absolute turnover machine. Poor shooter, low level athleticism. Was in Albuquerque recently to see the SDSU-UNM game, and talked with a bunch of their fans. The death threats are ridiculous, no doubt---but there is no question that the fan base there has had enough of Gary Neal, and as bad as NM has been since they had Cameron Bairstow, its easy to see why. If Steve Alford hadn't burned bridges when he left town, he'd be welcomed back with open arms.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 15, 2016 9:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 15, 2016 10:12:38 GMT -5
Intriguing, but he's not terrible efficient (98.0), and he's been more of a volume shooter (44.6% from 2, 30.7% from three). I don't know anything about his point guard skills to determine whether he'd be a good fit. His usage was incredibly high (31%) which would almost certainly go down at Georgetown, which could help his efficiency, though he's never been particularly efficient. Academically, he seems like he'd be a good kid, and if he actually cares about academics, Georgetown would be a decent landing spot.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 15, 2016 11:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by vv83 on Mar 15, 2016 12:20:23 GMT -5
Intriguing, but he's not terrible efficient (98.0), and he's been more of a volume shooter (44.6% from 2, 30.7% from three). I don't know anything about his point guard skills to determine whether he'd be a good fit. His usage was incredibly high (31%) which would almost certainly go down at Georgetown, which could help his efficiency, though he's never been particularly efficient. Academically, he seems like he'd be a good kid, and if he actually cares about academics, Georgetown would be a decent landing spot. I have no idea if Canyon Barry is a particularly good player - but he shoots his free throws underhand, like his dad. So that would be kind of fun!
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Post by vv83 on Mar 16, 2016 14:34:48 GMT -5
Interesting note on U of Hawaii - they are on NCAA probation next season, and cannot participate in the NCAA tournament. This means that any of their players can transfer and play immediately in 2016-17. They have pretty good guards - from a quick look at their roster, it looks like their PG (Roderick Bobbitt) is just a sop this year. He is 6'3, averages almost 14 pts a game, plus 5+ assists and 34% 3 point shooting. Who knows if he wants to transfer (spending your final 2 years of college in hawaii sounds like a pretty good deal, even if you cannot go to the NCAA tournament next year!) But the Hawaii players are all free agents after this season
Their best player is Stefan Jankovic, a 6'11 stretch 5 who transferred from Missouri. He has played 3 full seasons, but had one year at Missouri where he played only 3 games. So he probably got a medical redshirt/waiver for that year, and has one year left. He averages almost 16 points and 6.6 boards, plus shoots .395 from 3. Also averages 2 blocks a game. I am sure major teams will be going after him, the value of a true stretch 5 who is also a solid shot blocker is massive in the modern game.
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 17, 2016 7:14:51 GMT -5
I remember we looked at Jankovic on this board
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