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Post by prhoya on Jun 10, 2014 17:14:07 GMT -5
Hadn't checked the board... great news! As to the turnout for the Kansas game, I believe out-of-towners/alum/fans will come out for it. I'll give it a shot... schedule some meeting in D.C.
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Post by FLHoya on Jun 10, 2014 18:04:05 GMT -5
Good to see Georgetown didn't fall for that "third year at MSG" trap that Villanova fell into. Is it enough to buy a season ticket? Probably not, at least not in the lower bowl. No guarantee the Gavitt Tipoff Games give Georgetown the exact games fans want (see those memorable SEC challenge games against Alabama and Tennessee). And, for better or worse, StubHub is making season tickets for fans outside the Beltway increasingly obsolete. If this game is stuck in November or following exams, it'll sell but probably not a sellout. A late January or early February game would spike sales closer to 20K, but the 18 game schedules of each conference make open dates few and far between. Not a sellout? Really? Between our season ticket base and the Syracuse DC fan base, it should easily sell out both years we host it (no matter when it is held). The question of course is whether we can hold off the Syracuse fans and keep the place grey. I'll put some numbers behind this: We played Syracuse at the Verizon Center six times between JTIII's first season and Cuse's last season in the Big East. Three weeknights, three Saturdays. Saturday attendance18,879 (2006) 20,276 (2011) 20,972 (2013) Average weekend Big East attendance during that time: 15,253 Weeknight attendance20,035 (2008) 19,227 (2009) 19,976 (2010) Average weeknight Big East attendance during that time: 11,511 Average Big East attendance (all games) last season: 10,336 IDK that it's gonna drive season ticket sales, but given trends in sports event attendance it's a bit absurd to expect that. Certainly if any game could drive season ticket sales on its own, this would be it. The more likely scenario is it drives sales of bundled mini-plans and a lot of "you must donate X dollars to purchase this ticket" sales (***), which serve their own purposes. And it's never a bad thing to have an excuse to call something a "Winter Basketball Weekend" and get the out of town alums excited to come to DC. (*** EDIT: Unless, as was mentioned on Twitter, it's in the contract that we aren't allowed to do this.)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 10, 2014 20:15:31 GMT -5
Okay, we got Syracuse. We are playing Kansas. We are going to have to be careful how many of these grueling match ups we want to get involved in. I like the game with Syracuse, and it probably won't even matter if the Big East is not the beast it has been in years past. However, if it is, then we are going to have to really load up on talent. Syracuse always seems to have a deep bench. We will need to do the same. Actually Boeheim is very similar to III lately in that they both settle on 7 or 8 guys that they trust, and that is pretty much the rotation. The Syracuse fans habitually question the limited rotation - especially when they get an injury(or suspension!) and don't have any experience to turn to.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 10, 2014 21:40:59 GMT -5
Okay, we got Syracuse. We are playing Kansas. We are going to have to be careful how many of these grueling match ups we want to get involved in. I like the game with Syracuse, and it probably won't even matter if the Big East is not the beast it has been in years past. However, if it is, then we are going to have to really load up on talent. Syracuse always seems to have a deep bench. We will need to do the same. Actually Boeheim is very similar to III lately in that they both settle on 7 or 8 guys that they trust, and that is pretty much the rotation. The Syracuse fans habitually question the limited rotation - especially when they get an injury(or suspension!) and don't have any experience to turn to. They suspend guys? Anyway, as pessimistic as some want to be and as much as I loathe that one part of Canada, it's great news from a scheduling perspective. Bring back the hate. Should be fairly easy. It never left me.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 10, 2014 21:55:31 GMT -5
Actually Boeheim is very similar to III lately in that they both settle on 7 or 8 guys that they trust, and that is pretty much the rotation. The Syracuse fans habitually question the limited rotation - especially when they get an injury(or suspension!) and don't have any experience to turn to. They suspend guys? Anyway, as pessimistic as some want to be and as much as I loathe that one part of Canada, it's great news from a scheduling perspective. Bring back the hate. Should be fairly easy. It never left me. Don't get me wrong, I love the match up. I just want to ready to kick some butt!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 10, 2014 22:02:51 GMT -5
They suspend guys? Anyway, as pessimistic as some want to be and as much as I loathe that one part of Canada, it's great news from a scheduling perspective. Bring back the hate. Should be fairly easy. It never left me. Don't get me wrong, I love the match up. I just want to ready to kick some butt! Looks like our recruiting is kicking it up a few notches just in time.
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 10, 2014 22:08:45 GMT -5
I'll say this - I was on the fence about renewing but this will likely keep me "in."
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 11, 2014 9:00:30 GMT -5
According to the Syracuse board one sticking point in the negotiations was their insistence that tickets for the DC games not be tied to multi-game packages, booster membership, etc. We also know that they wanted MSG as part of the rotation; I suspect we made them give up the MSG demand in exchange for freer ticket availability down in DC.
That being said, they are also trumpeting the "fact" that SU gets 4 "home" games out of the deal. We need to actually dominate the ticket sales for these 2 games, and publicly shame any season ticket holders who sell to anyone associated with Upstate New York's Team. It has been a few years, but if one or both of our home games are on weekends, I'll be on my way down.
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Post by grokamok on Jun 11, 2014 10:40:41 GMT -5
According to the Syracuse board one sticking point in the negotiations was their insistence that tickets for the DC games not be tied to multi-game packages, booster membership, etc. We also know that they wanted MSG as part of the rotation; I suspect we made them give up the MSG demand in exchange for freer ticket availability down in DC. That being said, they are also trumpeting the "fact" that SU gets 4 "home" games out of the deal. We need to actually dominate the ticket sales for these 2 games, and publicly shame any season ticket holders who sell to anyone associated with Upstate New York's Team. It has been a few years, but if one or both of our home games are on weekends, I'll be on my way down. You & plenty of beer-bus Orange-folk. A mid-week, mid-November home game probably maximizes the pro-Hoya proportion. There can be enough local hype to fill the phone booth, so we shouldn't worry about that. Syracuse benefits from anything that intersects with finals or the holidays (Villanova just wrapped up a nice pseudo-home "away" game Christmas present for the 'Cuse -- twitter.com/JonRothstein/statuses/475973286396846081) or even a weekend. "Making them give up MSG" is something of a joke. They'll have plenty of exposure to NYC anyway, and why, exactly, should MSG have been considered as part of an equitable deal in the first place? From a neutral start (home & home) they give up nothing, but gain better access to tickets. As pointed out in a number of other threads, a home & home with SU gives us a hostile crowd there and a near-neutral (if not hostile) crowd here, especially if we can't micro-manage the gate. Plenty of them are either in this area or would come down to visit DC -- few of us are up there or would want to go. 'Cuse also preserves yearly exposure to the DC/Baltimore market and it's rich recruiting with only this year's hiatus and gets experience at Verizon for their conference tourney that year. An SU game on our schedule (and on Villanova's & St. John's schedule, too) also overshadows the Big East (a reason to avoid any scheduling of the game in the middle of the regular season). Way to play like the little guy instead of building the brand...
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Post by grokamok on Jun 11, 2014 10:48:41 GMT -5
If we had to do it, it may have been better to take the show on the road. Treat alums in big markets to a yearly "take me back" game. DFW, LA, the Bay area, Boston, Miami. Plenty of big arenas that would fill (given the regional rarity of GU & SU appearances there) with more balanced numbers (given our respective alumni footprints). Split the gate. Make it a truly uniqe event in CBB.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 11, 2014 10:56:12 GMT -5
According to the Syracuse board one sticking point in the negotiations was their insistence that tickets for the DC games not be tied to multi-game packages, booster membership, etc. We also know that they wanted MSG as part of the rotation; I suspect we made them give up the MSG demand in exchange for freer ticket availability down in DC. That being said, they are also trumpeting the "fact" that SU gets 4 "home" games out of the deal. We need to actually dominate the ticket sales for these 2 games, and publicly shame any season ticket holders who sell to anyone associated with Upstate New York's Team. It has been a few years, but if one or both of our home games are on weekends, I'll be on my way down. You & plenty of beer-bus Orange-folk. A mid-week, mid-November home game probably maximizes the pro-Hoya proportion. There can be enough local hype to fill the phone booth, so we shouldn't worry about that. Syracuse benefits from anything that intersects with finals or the holidays (Villanova just wrapped up a nice pseudo-home "away" game Christmas present for the 'Cuse -- twitter.com/JonRothstein/statuses/475973286396846081) or even a weekend. "Making them give up MSG" is something of a joke. They'll have plenty of exposure to NYC anyway, and why, exactly, should MSG have been considered as part of an equitable deal in the first place? From a neutral start (home & home) they give up nothing, but gain better access to tickets. As pointed out in a number of other threads, a home & home with SU gives us a hostile crowd there and a near-neutral (if not hostile) crowd here, especially if we can't micro-manage the gate. Plenty of them are either in this area or would come down to visit DC -- few of us are up there or would want to go. 'Cuse also preserves yearly exposure to the DC/Baltimore market and it's rich recruiting with only this year's hiatus and gets experience at Verizon for their conference tourney that year. An SU game on our schedule (and on Villanova's & St. John's schedule, too) also overshadows the Big East (a reason to avoid any scheduling of the game in the middle of the regular season). Way to play like the little guy instead of building the brand... MSG was their "demand", this was a negotiation. Negotiations don't always start with "equitable" positions. And thinking that we are "playing the little guy" in scheduling this is ridiculous. Like it or not, the average college basketball fan sees them as our biggest traditional rival. Continuing that rivalry, although outside of a conference setting, gives us more national exposure than playing Kansas. If we can't generate a home crowd atmosphere for a non-conference Syracuse game, "building the brand" is way down the list of our concerns.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 11, 2014 11:02:14 GMT -5
According to the Syracuse board one sticking point in the negotiations was their insistence that tickets for the DC games not be tied to multi-game packages, booster membership, etc. We also know that they wanted MSG as part of the rotation; I suspect we made them give up the MSG demand in exchange for freer ticket availability down in DC. That being said, they are also trumpeting the "fact" that SU gets 4 "home" games out of the deal. We need to actually dominate the ticket sales for these 2 games, and publicly shame any season ticket holders who sell to anyone associated with Upstate New York's Team. It has been a few years, but if one or both of our home games are on weekends, I'll be on my way down. You & plenty of beer-bus Orange-folk. A mid-week, mid-November home game probably maximizes the pro-Hoya proportion. There can be enough local hype to fill the phone booth, so we shouldn't worry about that. Syracuse benefits from anything that intersects with finals or the holidays (Villanova just wrapped up a nice pseudo-home "away" game Christmas present for the 'Cuse -- twitter.com/JonRothstein/statuses/475973286396846081) or even a weekend. "Making them give up MSG" is something of a joke. They'll have plenty of exposure to NYC anyway, and why, exactly, should MSG have been considered as part of an equitable deal in the first place? From a neutral start (home & home) they give up nothing, but gain better access to tickets. As pointed out in a number of other threads, a home & home with SU gives us a hostile crowd there and a near-neutral (if not hostile) crowd here, especially if we can't micro-manage the gate. Plenty of them are either in this area or would come down to visit DC -- few of us are up there or would want to go. 'Cuse also preserves yearly exposure to the DC/Baltimore market and it's rich recruiting with only this year's hiatus and gets experience at Verizon for their conference tourney that year. An SU game on our schedule (and on Villanova's & St. John's schedule, too) also overshadows the Big East (a reason to avoid any scheduling of the game in the middle of the regular season). Way to play like the little guy instead of building the brand... I gave up fighting this "renewal of the rivalry," as it appears that the overwhelming majority of posters want the rivalry to continue. I do agree however, that there is much more upside for Syracuse than the Hoyas, but as long as we can benefit from this game I am good. Hopefully, the other "rumors" about a challenge series with the Pac 12 are true. The future success of the Big East is not assured by clinging to the past. It is to be achieved through creation of a new and separate identity with teams that are respected nationally as powerhouses. Would love to see the Hoyas and other Big East teams visit the West for games against UCLA, USC, SDSU, Cal or Stanford. Play UNLV, Arizona, and perhaps New Mexico, as well. There are a surprising number of Hoya alums in the West/Southwest and we seem to still be recruiting the region.
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Post by sleepy on Jun 11, 2014 11:23:38 GMT -5
If we gave up anything that will allow SU fans to get close to 10k fans in the seats then we have no business even scheduling this game. To allow them to dictate how we sell tickets in our own building is not worth it. why don't we let them pick the refs as well. Heck it might be Boeheims last game in DC if he retires, what else did they want a big retirement party lets fill the rafters with orange and blue. Sorry playing them on those types of terms is degrading to the entire program.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jun 11, 2014 11:38:20 GMT -5
Come on. There is no way Syracuse said, "Well, we will only play a home and home with you if you change your practices to let us buy tickets to your home games." Im sure they will end up buying tickets, but it's not because they forced us to do it.
ON EDIT: I take it back. Apparently, that did happen as confirmed by some Syracuse bloggers. In that regard, I pretty much completely agree with sleepy. That's pathetic. They get 2 home games to do whatever they want, we get 2 games, but somehow they get better access to our tickets.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 11, 2014 11:44:02 GMT -5
If those yahoos are able to buy tickets in large numbers, bad job by our fan base.
That said, I want as many as possible of those cretins around while we are kicking their asses.
They can get as drunk, loud and stupid as they like. Losers are always quiet and subdued on their way home to suburban Toronto.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 11, 2014 11:47:41 GMT -5
As pointed out in a number of other threads, a home & home with SU gives us a hostile crowd there and a near-neutral (if not hostile) crowd here, especially if we can't micro-manage the gate. Plenty of them are either in this area or would come down to visit DC -- few of us are up there or would want to go. 'Cuse also preserves yearly exposure to the DC/Baltimore market and it's rich recruiting with only this year's hiatus and gets experience at Verizon for their conference tourney that year. An SU game on our schedule (and on Villanova's & St. John's schedule, too) also overshadows the Big East (a reason to avoid any scheduling of the game in the middle of the regular season). Way to play like the little guy instead of building the brand... The fact is that any out of conference high quality game will overshadow the Big East to some extent. That's just as true of Kansas, as Syracuse. We need those games because we need a high strength of schedule for NCAA seeding and to ensure that we will be a part of the post-season. A scheduling philosophy that avoided any games overshadowing the Big East would require all games against mid-majors. How does that help us? The Syracuse games against Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's don't overshadow the Big East in a negative way, they merely show that we are still high major programs playing high major opponents. I hope there's a day where the Big East itself is so strong and elite (like the old Big East), that we don't have to worry about scheduling, but that's not the case anymore. We had that luxury in the old Big East because we were guaranteed several top shelf opponents in the winter/spring. That's not true anymore. As far as ticket sales, I think too much emphasis is being placed on unfounded rumors. I seriously doubt that our administration is going to make it easy for Syracuse fans to get tickets. It's in everybody's interest to have as many fans, but the fact is we don't have 20,000 fans who are going to fill Verizon, so there will be some Syracuse fans there. It's not ideal, but I can live with it. As far as exposure to DC/Baltimore for Syracuse, who cares? When was the last time we lost a big-time recruit to Syracuse in that area anyway? Maybe there are some I'm not recalling, but I highly doubt that Georgetown's scheduling of Syracuse will make a difference here. In fact, I think we stand to gain more by recruits feeling like they can participate in the Georgetown/Syracuse history, than any benefit to Syracuse. After all, Isaac Copeland committed soon after last year's Syracuse game.
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Post by sleepy on Jun 11, 2014 12:15:53 GMT -5
We made it very difficult for SU fans to get tickets to the final SU/GU BE game in 2013. We gave them their 250 seat allotment but tied much of the sale of tickets to a variety of packages for season ticketholders and those that Georgetown controlled if not all remaining were sold with a minimum donation to the school.
Having had many discussions with those in the ADs office at SU, it was the most difficult ticket in recent memory for any game home or away game.
Would like to keep it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 12:22:03 GMT -5
Honestly, there were a LOT of Syracuse fans in the arena for the last Big East regular season game, but I don't remember hearing from any of them as Boeheim and his merry band of thugs were getting their asses handed to them.
Go ahead, "take over" our arena. I won't give a crap as I'm watching thousands of you sulk out of there again.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 11, 2014 12:52:27 GMT -5
As long as what has been reported is true then, we shouldn't have a problem limiting their access again. They just said we can't limit purchasing tickets to those who have made a donation or bought ticket packages, but we allowed those groups to buy tickets early we didn't restrict people from buying tickets when they went on sale to the public, we just sold the tickets to our donors before they went on public sale. Depending on the wording we might not have to change a thing. I think we can still get away with a presale to our donors no matter what they say and with the dynamic pricing they can jack up the price of tickets to $100 for Nose bleeds. Heck we could also charge one price for Hoya fans and another price for non Hoya fans.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 11, 2014 13:05:01 GMT -5
If those yahoos are able to buy tickets in large numbers, bad job by our fan base. That said, I want as many as possible of those cretins around while we are kicking their asses. They can get as drunk, loud and stupid as they like. Losers are always quiet and subdued on their way home to suburban Toronto. Syracuse is not remotely sophisticated enough to be a suburb of Toronto, 'vad. I'm pretty sure you meant suburban Brockville.
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