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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 9, 2014 15:18:03 GMT -5
Sky, how is your donation to a wounded warrior (albeit commendable) relevant? I like centercourt's move which makes sense as a fan who isn't an alum (and we need many more of those to fill Verizon by the way). You have been cheering for the hoyas longer then I have center.
Sky, maybe you should just stop watching altogether at Verizon and watch on FS1. It would be free, you could complain as loud as you want, it would help ratings, and you can switch to your favorite non-Gtown game as soon as we start to lose as it seems you are just itching for any excuse to complain.
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 9, 2014 15:42:16 GMT -5
I'm not voting on anything other than I think I get a great view and more than my money's worth for my tickets. I will attend any and every game I can and I enjoy watching games against bottom rung teams as much as I do against top tier competition.
I personally don't really understand those who only seem to enjoy games against top shelf competition. I go to see the Hoyas, to watch the maturation of Henry Sims, the development of court awareness from Aaron Bowen, the interaction of the bench during timeouts, to be there the day the light bulb goes on for Michael Hopkins (hopefully), just as much as I do for the atmosphere of the Duke game with Obama and Biden in attendance, watching Roy drop the 3-bomb on UConn or the sellout season finale vs Syracuse. I go for the experience and the love of the team, not to see the competition.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 9, 2014 16:35:16 GMT -5
I'm not voting on anything other than I think I get a great view and more than my money's worth for my tickets. I will attend any and every game I can and I enjoy watching games against bottom rung teams as much as I do against top tier competition. I personally don't really understand those who only seem to enjoy games against top shelf competition. I go to see the Hoyas, to watch the maturation of Henry Sims, the development of court awareness from Aaron Bowen, the interaction of the bench during timeouts, to be there the day the light bulb goes on for Michael Hopkins (hopefully), just as much as I do for the atmosphere of the Duke game with Obama and Biden in attendance, watching Roy drop the 3-bomb on UConn or the sellout season finale vs Syracuse. I go for the experience and the love of the team, not to see the competition. I am not in the DC area, so I do not have season tickets, but I agree with your general sentiment. I watch every minute of every game on television, and I enjoy all of the games. In some ways, the lesser games can tell you a lot about the team early on, since you get to see the new talent and see how they integrate with the rest of the team (years like 2014-2015 are great in that regard, with the incoming 4 freshman). Granted, do they have the same atmosphere as a game against Kansas or Syracuse? No, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. Really, if people are fans enough to come here and post, I don't think any of us are the problem. The problem is getting people who are less enthusiastic about the team to come and actually purchase season tickets. That's the hard part.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 9, 2014 17:43:47 GMT -5
I'm not voting on anything other than I think I get a great view and more than my money's worth for my tickets. I will attend any and every game I can and I enjoy watching games against bottom rung teams as much as I do against top tier competition. I personally don't really understand those who only seem to enjoy games against top shelf competition. I go to see the Hoyas, to watch the maturation of Henry Sims, the development of court awareness from Aaron Bowen, the interaction of the bench during timeouts, to be there the day the light bulb goes on for Michael Hopkins (hopefully), just as much as I do for the atmosphere of the Duke game with Obama and Biden in attendance, watching Roy drop the 3-bomb on UConn or the sellout season finale vs Syracuse. I go for the experience and the love of the team, not to see the competition. That's the way AvantGuardHoya and I approached it when we lived in DC. Well said.
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 10, 2014 7:49:46 GMT -5
9 PM weeknights (especially when their kids have to go to school the next day) for a lot of people and their kids is MURDER! Do that and expect to play to a 1/2 empty house.
Watching a bottom rung team at home is OK because we usually win those and I like winning.Of course, not every game should be with a patsy. Syracuse usually does this and gets a good record going before the hard stuff starts.
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Post by HoyaChris on Apr 10, 2014 7:56:43 GMT -5
9 PM weeknights (especially when their kids have to go to school the next day) for a lot of people and their kids is MURDER! Do that and expect to play to a 1/2 empty house. Watching a bottom rung team at home is OK because we usually win those and I like winning.Of course, not every game should be with a patsy. Syracuse usually does this and gets a good record going before the hard stuff starts. My sense is, though, that the students like a 9 p.m. start.
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 10, 2014 9:39:01 GMT -5
9 PM weeknights (especially when their kids have to go to school the next day) for a lot of people and their kids is MURDER! Do that and expect to play to a 1/2 empty house. Watching a bottom rung team at home is OK because we usually win those and I like winning.Of course, not every game should be with a patsy. Syracuse usually does this and gets a good record going before the hard stuff starts. My sense is, though, that the students like a 9 p.m. start. After sitting next to the students' section all year, my sense is they don't like much of anything.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 10, 2014 9:44:33 GMT -5
I don't think student preferences play any role in setting game times. One major factor is venue availability, and the other is the Fox Sports TV schedule. Part of the reason for the 9 pm starts is that Fox Sports 1 almost always had another game on at 7 pm. Somebody needs to be the later game; otherwise the games will be on Fox Sports 2 which many people do not get, and which is in standard definition.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 10, 2014 10:39:43 GMT -5
I don't think student preferences play any role in setting game times. One major factor is venue availability, and the other is the Fox Sports TV schedule. Part of the reason for the 9 pm starts is that Fox Sports 1 almost always had another game on at 7 pm. Somebody needs to be the later game; otherwise the games will be on Fox Sports 2 which many people do not get, and which is in standard definition. It's annoying that Xavier and Butler are on East Coast time. Otherwise we'd have a perfect split of East and Central time zone and could always have the Late game be @ one of the 5 midwest schools.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 10, 2014 12:00:57 GMT -5
I am assuming that Sky was not a ticket holder during the Esh years. Now that was painful and yet we soldiered on. The glass will always be half empty to some, but I remember when that glass was half full but it wasn't beer or water, it was sour milk.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 12, 2014 11:13:40 GMT -5
I am assuming that Sky was not a ticket holder during the Esh years. Now that was painful and yet we soldiered on. The glass will always be half empty to some, but I remember when that glass was half full but it wasn't beer or water, it was sour milk. Dum post, just a dumb post.One needs to check their facts before they slash someone.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2014 15:01:23 GMT -5
Dum post, just a dumb post. Well, you would know what those look like.
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 14, 2014 14:22:35 GMT -5
I'm not voting on anything other than I think I get a great view and more than my money's worth for my tickets. I will attend any and every game I can and I enjoy watching games against bottom rung teams as much as I do against top tier competition. I personally don't really understand those who only seem to enjoy games against top shelf competition. I go to see the Hoyas, to watch the maturation of Henry Sims, the development of court awareness from Aaron Bowen, the interaction of the bench during timeouts, to be there the day the light bulb goes on for Michael Hopkins (hopefully), just as much as I do for the atmosphere of the Duke game with Obama and Biden in attendance, watching Roy drop the 3-bomb on UConn or the sellout season finale vs Syracuse. I go for the experience and the love of the team, not to see the competition. I am not in the DC area, so I do not have season tickets, but I agree with your general sentiment. I watch every minute of every game on television, and I enjoy all of the games. In some ways, the lesser games can tell you a lot about the team early on, since you get to see the new talent and see how they integrate with the rest of the team (years like 2014-2015 are great in that regard, with the incoming 4 freshman). Granted, do they have the same atmosphere as a game against Kansas or Syracuse? No, but I still enjoy it nonetheless. Really, if people are fans enough to come here and post, I don't think any of us are the problem. The problem is getting people who are less enthusiastic about the team to come and actually purchase season tickets. That's the hard part. What is it that you guys "don't understand?" Basketball tickets cost money. Season tickets costs more money. There is a reason less people attend Georgetown vs Mt St Mary's than Georgetown vs Kansas. People have other priorities. That's all people are saying. It's not like we hate Georgetown just because we'd rather spend several hundred dollars to see us play the likes of Oregon, Penn St, Kansas than Colgate, NJIT and Towson.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 14, 2014 17:39:11 GMT -5
I think centercourt was saying he did not understand why people do not enjoy games against lesser competition, rather than commenting on the cost of games. I generally agree with your post. My schedule is such that even if I had season tickets, it would be extremely difficult to make most of them. Since I am not awash in cash, even if I lived in DC, I am not sure I'd buy season tickets to have them go empty half the time.
That said, I do watch every game on TV (which is admittedly, less of a commitment than season tickets), and I enjoy all of the games. That was my point in following up on centercourt's post.
I agree that basketball tickets cost money, and I can totally understand why people would not want to shell out cash for Towson or NJIT.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 14, 2014 20:43:27 GMT -5
I don't live in the DC area, so I don't have season tickets. I pick the games I attend based on convenience and not really quality of opponent. However, it does make it a lot easier to justify flying up to DC when they're actually playing someone big.
Really, our scheduling now is just a consequence of the growing trend of major tournaments and other neutral-site events early in the season. Relatively few "good" basketball teams even bother to play a true road game before conference play. A few of the very best teams are willing to do that, and I think we were lucky to get a series against someone like Kansas. I also know Florida has had some pretty good series early in the season---they play rival Florida St. every year and have played UConn and Wisconsin on the road as I recall in recent seasons. Maybe we could add another series like that.
I like the idea of playing some of the "lower" names from these major conferences, but my guess is that at least some conferences probably try to discourage that. A lot of the lower-ranked teams in each conference spend each season trying to fatten their win-loss record against mid-major competition. If some of these teams were willing to come to DC, that'd be great. I remember being at a game we played against Michigan probably seven years ago now when Beilein just started there, so maybe it's possible. Michigan at the time was an also-ran in the Big 10 at best.
For what it's worth, the thing I liked most about our scheduling this past year was our attempt to bring mid major teams with a pulse to Verizon. Instead of playing the worst of the worst, we brought in the likes of Wright St., High Point, etc. Some of those picks didn't pan out, but we at least tried to bring in some mid major teams that were expected to be at or near the top of their 1-bid leagues. Getting experience early against teams like that should help us in the long run. Like it or not non-conference play is going to usually have 7-10 games of mid-major teams. We need to try to find good matchups that are winnable for the team but will test them before we get into conference play.
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 14, 2014 21:22:39 GMT -5
I think centercourt was saying he did not understand why people do not enjoy games against lesser competition, rather than commenting on the cost of games. I generally agree with your post. My schedule is such that even if I had season tickets, it would be extremely difficult to make most of them. Since I am not awash in cash, even if I lived in DC, I am not sure I'd buy season tickets to have them go empty half the time. That said, I do watch every game on TV (which is admittedly, less of a commitment than season tickets), and I enjoy all of the games. That was my point in following up on centercourt's post. I agree that basketball tickets cost money, and I can totally understand why people would not want to shell out cash for Towson or NJIT. Yeah, that's fair, and maybe I misunderstood. But, yes, it's tough justify some of these games on weeknights when we are playing the opponents we play. I enjoy all the games, too, but I can see why people don't want to shell out for some of these games.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 21, 2014 11:53:33 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 21, 2014 12:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 21, 2014 14:41:08 GMT -5
Yeah, my point was not wondering why people would choose to go to one game vs another. Heck if someone offered me tickets next year for Kansas or for DePaul, of course I'm picking Kansas. If your ability to attend is constrained by time or resources then prioritizing the competition would certainly play a part.
My point was that watching the Hoyas should be the main reason to go, regardless of the opponent. To me, the disappointed reaction by this board to the perceived low quality of home game opponents is missing the point. If you can go but don't because you don't want to see Longwood or High Point or Elon then I think you are missing many of the reasons to be at the Verizon Center for a Hoyas game.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 22, 2014 11:05:21 GMT -5
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