jgalt
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,380
|
Post by jgalt on Apr 7, 2014 18:15:41 GMT -5
Moses is quite religious. That could be part of the Pepperdine thing (and also that its a beautiful campus in frickin malibu CA). Cant see moses playing any substantial minutes in the D-League or top Euro league and I can imagine anyone is telling him otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 7, 2014 18:28:33 GMT -5
I think that we can legitimately question, at this juncture, whether JT3 can successfully recruit centers for his offensive scheme (whatever you wish to call it). The track record in recent years has not been beyond reproach. Grant you, the jury may still be out on Joshua Smith, but that was a transfer which, to date, has not proven worthwhile. Hopkins is not a center, although he has been forced into that position. We don't have enough information about Hayes yet (maybe I'm being charitable). We are losing the recruiting wars right now. Until we start bringing in centers that can play, we really can't call ourselves "Big Man U." anymore. In the same vein, when was the last time we made one of our centers a millionaire? Maybe Greg Monroe gets there, but is Henry Sims in that line? I really don't think Georgetown has been "Big Man U" since the 1980s and early 1990s. It's true that we have had high impact players along the way (Sweetney, Hibbert, Monroe), but we have not consistently churned out big men under John Thompson III, and there weren't many in the latter years of his father, either. I think we can recruit better, but we really don't need a superstar level big man, if we can surround that person with other talent (as Otto Porter proved). The problem is that our centers have been below average for the last 2 years, and if Smith doesn't come back as an effective center, it will almost certainly be three consecutive years. We really don't need the 5 star types (though that would be nice), we just need solid contributors.
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Apr 7, 2014 18:35:09 GMT -5
|
|
DFW HOYA
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,774
|
Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 7, 2014 18:59:52 GMT -5
The roll call since Ewing (NBA alumni in bold):
1984-Grady Mateen 1985-Johnathan Edwards 1986-Ben Gillery 1987-Dikembe Mutombo, Cedric Izlein (never played) 1988-Alonzo Mourning 1990-Pascal Fleury 1992-Othella Harrington, Duane Spencer 1994-Jahidi White 1995-Jameel Watkins 1996-Shamel Jones 1997-Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje 1999-Wesley Wilson, Lee Scruggs 2004-Roy Hibbert, Cornelio Guibunda 2008-Greg Monroe,Henry Sims 2010-Moses Ayegba 2011-Tyler Adams 2012-Bradley Hayes
Georgetown's recruiting problems aren't at center, it's at guard. Excepting Chris Wright's 10-day contract, the Hoyas have had just one guard make it in the NBA since the class of 1989. Think about that one.
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Apr 7, 2014 19:05:22 GMT -5
I see 3 NBA starters on that list. What college has more? Even If you discount Sims, what college program has better NBA bigs than Hibbert and Monroe?
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,326
|
Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2014 20:11:23 GMT -5
No Don Reid?
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Apr 7, 2014 20:16:17 GMT -5
Don Reid was a Power Forward
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,326
|
Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2014 20:49:44 GMT -5
He logged minutes at center both at Georgetown and for the Pistons.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Apr 7, 2014 20:59:30 GMT -5
He logged minutes at center both at Georgetown and for the Pistons. Yea but when u look at Don Reid's starting position it was at PF... Now if u said hey Julian Vaughn is missing-starting center for the 2011 team u got something.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,326
|
Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2014 21:04:05 GMT -5
He played center more than anywhere else at Georgetown. Aren't we talking about Georgetown big men? Othella played quite a bit of PF at Georgetown but he's on the list.
Edit: Not that any of this matters. The discussion was turning toward guards. In any event, traditional centers are difficult to come by. Not to mention, our first choice for our offense wouldn't be a traditional center anyway. The type of guys we'd like for our system are just as difficult, if not more difficult to find. Whatever. We recruit more quality big men than we do quality guards if you're evaluating "quality" as NBA-caliber. We're as much "Big Man U" as any other school in the country. Still.
|
|
hoyas2006
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 377
|
Post by hoyas2006 on Apr 7, 2014 21:16:22 GMT -5
who cares? let him go. only want players who want to be here
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Apr 7, 2014 21:28:33 GMT -5
The roll call since Ewing (NBA alumni in bold): 1984-Grady Mateen 1985-Johnathan Edwards 1986- Ben Gillery1987- Dikembe Mutombo, Cedric Izlein (never played) 1988- Alonzo Mourning1990-Pascal Fleury 1992- Othella Harrington, Duane Spencer 1994- Jahidi White1995-Jameel Watkins 1996-Shamel Jones 1997- Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje1999-Wesley Wilson, Lee Scruggs 2004- Roy Hibbert, Cornelio Guibunda 2008- Greg Monroe, Henry Sims2010-Moses Ayegba 2011-Tyler Adams 2012-Bradley Hayes Georgetown's recruiting problems aren't at center, it's at guard. Excepting Chris Wright's 10-day contract, the Hoyas have had just one guard make it in the NBA since the class of 1989. Think about that one. I think the issue though is that we got to the Final Four in 2007 with Jonathan Wallace and Jessie Sapp at the guard position and neither of them are considered NBA level talent. While we had Roy Hibbert at Center and Jeff Green at Power Forward...both NBA level talent.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Apr 7, 2014 23:06:25 GMT -5
Thanks to Moses for giving his all for the program. Unfortunately he was derailed by injury's that robbed him of his athleticism and strength (see OldHoyasFans great post for explanation) but he always put his body on the line for the Hoyas.
Hope he goes to IU. Crean and the fans their really treated him well on his visit when it was down to the Hoyas and IU so hope he has success there. (Just not against us).
|
|
|
Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 8, 2014 0:01:49 GMT -5
I see 3 NBA starters on that list. What college has more? Even If you discount Sims, what college program has better NBA bigs than Hibbert and Monroe? Texas.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 0:21:07 GMT -5
I think that we can legitimately question, at this juncture, whether JT3 can successfully recruit centers for his offensive scheme (whatever you wish to call it). The track record in recent years has not been beyond reproach. Grant you, the jury may still be out on Joshua Smith, but that was a transfer which, to date, has not proven worthwhile. Hopkins is not a center, although he has been forced into that position. We don't have enough information about Hayes yet (maybe I'm being charitable). We are losing the recruiting wars right now. Until we start bringing in centers that can play, we really can't call ourselves "Big Man U." anymore. In the same vein, when was the last time we made one of our centers a millionaire? Maybe Greg Monroe gets there, but is Henry Sims in that line? There’s no “maybe” about Greg he is definitely going to get paid probably in the 12-14 range easy. He makes 3 right now... Roy got a MAx contract Only Florida can say they have a better group of Centers in the league than Gtown currently..
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 0:22:01 GMT -5
The roll call since Ewing (NBA alumni in bold): 1984-Grady Mateen 1985-Johnathan Edwards 1986- Ben Gillery1987- Dikembe Mutombo, Cedric Izlein (never played) 1988- Alonzo Mourning1990-Pascal Fleury 1992- Othella Harrington, Duane Spencer 1994- Jahidi White1995-Jameel Watkins 1996-Shamel Jones 1997- Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje1999-Wesley Wilson, Lee Scruggs 2004- Roy Hibbert, Cornelio Guibunda 2008- Greg Monroe, Henry Sims2010-Moses Ayegba 2011-Tyler Adams 2012-Bradley Hayes Georgetown's recruiting problems aren't at center, it's at guard. Excepting Chris Wright's 10-day contract, the Hoyas have had just one guard make it in the NBA since the class of 1989. Think about that one. And guard play is what gets you there…
|
|
whatmaroon
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 819
|
Post by whatmaroon on Apr 8, 2014 1:06:00 GMT -5
Welcome back, Aaron. I saw progress last year, so onward and upward, to use a GU prof's saying.
Moses, thanks for your contributions to the program and best of luck to you next year on the hardwood and in the rest of your life.
|
|
skyhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,496
|
Post by skyhoya on Apr 8, 2014 1:20:27 GMT -5
bigman U hasn't had a nba starting guard for a season since AI
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Apr 8, 2014 6:33:37 GMT -5
You mean GU hasn't had a starting NBA point guard since AI.
Hollis is a 2/3.
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,358
|
Post by calhoya on Apr 8, 2014 6:56:35 GMT -5
Didn't Mike Sweetney play alot of center for the Hoyas? I know he was more of a power forward, but my recollection is that like Vaughn he was forced to play the 5 many times.
|
|