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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 21, 2013 19:49:37 GMT -5
Chill bro, no one said he'd be the difference. Just saying, if we're not gonna let Cameron shoot, why did we take him? Hart had 19 in 25 minutes today. Not bad. Oh crap and here I was about to go all crazy and stuff.. lI’ll chill bro NP.. But still we didn’t take Cameron over Josh, and I don’t think anyone is telling him not to shoot... Well if he's not shooting, he's useless. He should never be on the floor if he's not shooting. I think everyone knew this going in. And fine, Domingo over Hart! Yay!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 0:51:09 GMT -5
Oh crap and here I was about to go all crazy and stuff.. lI’ll chill bro NP.. But still we didn’t take Cameron over Josh, and I don’t think anyone is telling him not to shoot... Well if he's not shooting, he's useless. He should never be on the floor if he's not shooting. I think everyone knew this going in. And fine, Domingo over Hart! Yay! Ok cool I’ll tell the guy whose telling him not too shoot to knock it off…
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Dec 22, 2013 6:42:44 GMT -5
Where did the people from his recruiting thread go that talked like he is gonna make like 10 3 pointers a game and be a nightmatre to opponents? I think eventually he will be fine though. Come to next year or three, we will start seeing nights where he drops 20-30 pts here and there. He is a 6'9 kid and could grow to 6'10 while he is here, and he is still a good shooter. He has the mechanics. And he does not have the mental problems like Domingo does that screws up his mechanics. I'm just sour that him and Ennis were rivals, coming from a neighboring area, and look at how Ennis plays at this level compared to Cameron... If we had Ennis, o man, we would be set for next four years in PG position. We were recruiting him too and had good chance, but somehow, we just gave up for some reason.Kinda reminds me of another missed target like Kendall Marshall (although we picked Starks instead and Kendall was UNC lean since he was born) More concerned with Domingo actually, cuz Domingo is restricted to 2 and 3, and if the recruits next year are as good as what everyone advertises (*cough cough like they did for Jabril / Domingo / Cameron), then maybe Domingo won't see much minutes.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 23, 2013 12:58:49 GMT -5
We desperately need Reggie to become an effective member of the rotation. To me he is the one hope of someone else contributing to our offense so I'd like to see JT3 put him in and stick with him and coach him up on defense. Let him learn by doing, not watching.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 23, 2013 14:19:10 GMT -5
We desperately need Reggie to become an effective member of the rotation. To me he is the one hope of someone else contributing to our offense so I'd like to see JT3 put him in and stick with him and coach him up on defense. Let him learn by doing, not watching. If we lose a few more and it starts looking more like we are NIT bound, I say we throw Domingo, Reggie and Hayes into the fire by playing them each 15 minutes or so a game. Its the only way they get better. If we don't, this year just becomes a total waste.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Dec 23, 2013 14:31:36 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that even if we are NIT bound, JT3 won't really do these kinda "experiments." This man has very strict principles with his coaching and there is no way, he will do something like that from what I have observed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 23, 2013 15:04:36 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that even if we are NIT bound, JT3 won't really do these kinda "experiments." This man has very strict principles with his coaching and there is no way, he will do something like that from what I have observed. That may be true, but in the last season where we didn't make the NCAA tournament, John Thompson III started Nikita, so anything is possible in such a situation. Let's hope we don't hit that point.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Dec 23, 2013 19:36:00 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that even if we are NIT bound, JT3 won't really do these kinda "experiments." This man has very strict principles with his coaching and there is no way, he will do something like that from what I have observed. That may be true, but in the last season where we didn't make the NCAA tournament, John Thompson III started Nikita, so anything is possible in such a situation. Let's hope we don't hit that point. yeah true, but it's not like JT3 started him because he saw tons of potential in him and giving him minutes would allow him to be developed. it was evident to both staffs and fans that Nikita was a role player at best. That year was just a mess and JT3 started him because he thought that was best for the team.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 23, 2013 23:15:17 GMT -5
Play the kids more if at all possible. It's not like we're winning anything this year. Enjoy the games. We should do that every year anyway but, this year, it's likely all there is to do as fans. If we're going to lose, lose productively.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 23, 2013 23:16:25 GMT -5
My only hope for this year is beating the Johnnies at MSG so I don't have to listen to my co-worker bust my stones for the next year. For the first time in a long time, I don't feel great about our Hoyas' chances in the Garden.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 23:40:25 GMT -5
Is Kansas on the schedule 23 more times this year?
This team can win it’s fair share of games if they play together and give a max effort. No reason to start throwing guys out there who are not ready and may never be ready. Idk how we can look at the team, moan about the lack of talent, and then turn around and yearn to play less talented players.
Regarding Cameron… Most of the people that really follow recruiting scratched their head at the signing and said flat out that he would be a good shooter for us, that’s it, and caught a lot of criticism for it. No problem with it we all have opinions and want the same thing ultimately but his limitations were well documented prior to him coming to campus.
Cameron can be a nice piece as long as you have athletes around him, he’s a floor stretcher/zonebuster. A guy you bring of the bench as a specialist definitely, but I don’t believe he should be starting or getting starter minutes. Not now.. You put Cameron in a rotation with athletic players like Copeland, Peak, and to a lesser extent White, and you can see how you can mix and match lineups to maximize what he brings you.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 24, 2013 11:29:31 GMT -5
The team will be fine. Cameron will be fine, too -- we've had players before who everyone said can't play defense, yet were on teams with great defense. By the end of his time at GU, he'll have contributed greatly.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 24, 2013 16:28:44 GMT -5
You put Cameron in a rotation with athletic players like Copeland, Peak, and to a lesser extent White, and you can see how you can mix and match lineups to maximize what he brings you. This. Cameron is probably never going to be a plus defender because of his speed. But his defense would look a ton better on a team with a legitimate rim protector, as opposed to our defensive bigs now. Ryan Anderson is not and never has been a good defensive 4, but is extremely useful on the teams he plays for. Not everybody needs to be a Taj Gibson caliber defender at the 4 spot. If we can put him with other guys who can defend (especially if and when we are able to play a more athletic 2-3), he'll bring more to the table with his shooting than he takes away with his defense. If used properly, I think this kid is going to have a good 4 year career for us. Take a look back at how bad Ryan Kelly was his first two years...let's hope Cameron develops as much.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Dec 26, 2013 2:31:23 GMT -5
Cameron and Josh are 2 different players. I was never a fan of Reggie Cameron. I saw him play for a weekend as a counselor at Nike Skills U and I never saw Big East talent. The major question for him would be will he put imphasos in toning his body in the offseason.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 26, 2013 8:15:40 GMT -5
I'd like to think that the kid gets more than 10 games into his freshman year before being declared a dud. I agree that the defense is lacking and that he clearly needs to improve his quickness and lateral mobility, but I do not think that fans have yet accepted how much the addition of Smith changes this team--particularly on defense. With Smith playing, it means that it is next to impossible to disguise other defensive shortcomings. Smith cannot play his position, and therefore cannot serve as insurance for mistakes of other players on the perimeter. This means a kid like Cameron gets less time to learn. Add to that the loss of Whittington, a player with the athleticism to cover some of the mistakes of others, and a serious change in the way fouls are called and you certainly can understand why Cameron has struggled out of the gate. Perhaps JT III should only play Cameron when Smith is out of the game. Just a thought.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 26, 2013 20:39:13 GMT -5
I'd like to think that the kid gets more than 10 games into his freshman year before being declared a dud. I agree that the defense is lacking and that he clearly needs to improve his quickness and lateral mobility, but I do not think that fans have yet accepted how much the addition of Smith changes this team--particularly on defense. With Smith playing, it means that it is next to impossible to disguise other defensive shortcomings. Smith cannot play his position, and therefore cannot serve as insurance for mistakes of other players on the perimeter. This means a kid like Cameron gets less time to learn. Add to that the loss of Whittington, a player with the athleticism to cover some of the mistakes of others, and a serious change in the way fouls are called and you certainly can understand why Cameron has struggled out of the gate. Perhaps JT III should only play Cameron when Smith is out of the game. Just a thought. This is what some have been saying for some time now. The Hoyas can not play man-to-man defense with Smith in the game. Nor can they play a press because he is not a shot blocker and any guy going to the basket after the press is broken will probably be fouled by him which leads to less time on the floor for Smith. Cameron could play small forward in a tight 2-3 zone with Smith at center and Hopkins at the 4. This team this year should play closer to the Princeton Offense than before. Talent wise it is the closest to the teams III had at Princeton except the big men having the ability to hit a 3pt shot. This team should shorten the game on offense by using a lot of the shot clock. Smith is obviously not in shape and will not be until maybe next year, therefore the team has to play slower. Playing Cameron when Smith is out of the game is also an option.
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 27, 2013 1:56:14 GMT -5
Cameron could play more but that assumes he should play more than who? Take his minutes from Jabril? I want more time for him but the guy is a freshman and is not ready. I honestly don't get the ask for him to get 15+ minutes.
Just tell me how you want the minutes...
MS = 35+ DSR = 35+ JT = 30 NL = 20 MH = 20 JS = 25 MA = 15
What do you want with the other 20? And maybe you take 10 from Jabril but if that's what this thread is about than clearly I'm at a loss for understanding all of your aggressive points.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 27, 2013 8:43:11 GMT -5
Cameron could play more but that assumes he should play more than who? Take his minutes from Jabril? I want more time for him but the guy is a freshman and is not ready. I honestly don't get the ask for him to get 15+ minutes. Just tell me how you want the minutes... MS = 35+ DSR = 35+ JT = 30 NL = 20 MH = 20 JS = 25 MA = 15 What do you want with the other 20? And maybe you take 10 from Jabril but if that's what this thread is about than clearly I'm at a loss for understanding all of your aggressive points. They are clamoring to take the minutes from Aaron Bowen. They want want Reggie Cameron to be the first Guard/SF off the bench instead of Aaron Bowen.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 27, 2013 8:55:31 GMT -5
Cameron could play more but that assumes he should play more than who? Take his minutes from Jabril? I want more time for him but the guy is a freshman and is not ready. I honestly don't get the ask for him to get 15+ minutes. Just tell me how you want the minutes... JT = 30 What do you want with the other 20? And maybe you take 10 from Jabril but if that's what this thread is about than clearly I'm at a loss for understanding all of your aggressive points. Jabril is averaging 23 mins. per game. So that's 7 mins there.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 27, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
A player like Reggie Cam needs time to get loose once he gets going it's OVER!
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