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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 26, 2015 11:04:09 GMT -5
The next time I wish to parley with HoyaTalk I will send you a PM. What do you charge? Good lord. You're one of those people who gets upset when anyone asks for common courtesy in a conversation, aren't you? Maybe he is a troll... Reggie subbed for Tre, and played 3'35", giving Tre over five mins clock time of rest. Tre played the remainder of the 2nd half and overtime. Reggie came in at the 13:12 mark, with the score 55-51, and departed with 9:37 left in the game, score 64-61. Net -1. Those 5+ mins of rest for Tre absolutely killed us in his eyes, I guess.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 26, 2015 11:46:27 GMT -5
But for the words "100% useless(or even worse)" this thread would be about 7 pages shorter!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 13:24:58 GMT -5
Pash, keep posting. I for one agree with your assessment regarding Reggie Cameron. In no way is what you wrote an ad hominem attack (as many have spun it). I wont weigh in on the RC debate but Pash has been one of the most thoughtful posters on this board on a variety of issues throughout the time that I've been reading...
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 26, 2015 14:51:04 GMT -5
I am still very confused how we totally missed on evaluating two guys whose skills should pretty easily translate to the college game (Domingo and Cameron).
It's easier to miss on other guys who might either be projects who didn't dominate in high school, or guys who have pretty good all around games that may not translate immediately to the D1 level. But shooting is shooting. It's the same rim height, almost the same distance, same pressure in the basketball, so how did we miss on two guys who were not only supposed to be good shooters, but "lights out" shooters? Not only have they not been "lights out" they haven't even been halfway decent.
I guess it may just be an outlier, or bad luck, but it's surprising that we missed so badly on both Domingo and Cameron.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 26, 2015 14:53:41 GMT -5
I think it is way too early to say that we "missed" on Reggie. He is not even halfway through his career. A lot of people thought that he had "missed" on Aaron at that point.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 26, 2015 15:03:11 GMT -5
Right. And a better example might be Sims. Who expected Sims to have the kind of senior season he had? Guy looked clueless first three years here. We can't give up on Cameron and I bet once he gets. 3-pointer to go down one of these days he might stick on the floor for more than until the next stoppage of play.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 26, 2015 19:26:25 GMT -5
Well I think the point POD is trying to make is that Cameron's one discernible skill should easily translate to the college game. If he gets open looks, he should be able to knock them down as it's almost exactly the same as HS. Same with Domingo. In the cases of Sims and Bowen, it was more a case of their game not translating and/or being projects. Or in Sims case, not working hard enough.
I happen to agree with POD. It's pretty astounding that the two guys in recent years that we've brought in to do nothing but shoot have been very poor shooters. Kind of baffling.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 26, 2015 21:11:01 GMT -5
If LJ and Bril are out tomorrow, we will need a couple of minutes from Reggie just to give a breather to some guys. Hopefully he finds his shot, and stays in front of his guy on D.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2015 21:57:22 GMT -5
Well I think the point POD is trying to make is that Cameron's one discernible skill should easily translate to the college game. If he gets open looks, he should be able to knock them down as it's almost exactly the same as HS. Same with Domingo. In the cases of Sims and Bowen, it was more a case of their game not translating and/or being projects. Or in Sims case, not working hard enough. I happen to agree with POD. It's pretty astounding that the two guys in recent years that we've brought in to do nothing but shoot have been very poor shooters. Kind of baffling. I was a big fan of the staff signing Cameron but to me he never was and never will be a 3, it doesn't matter how much weight he loses.. I think he would have been better served trying to be more like Niang @ Iowa State.. In the end though he still wouldn't have gotten much time this season because White & Copeland are better players than he is.. In hindsight Domingo wasn't at all ready to play HM ball, taking him a year early was a mistake.. As a side note.. Now that Henry is close to playing 100 NBA games at the 5 spot, can we acknowledge that his playing the 4 spot during his 1st 2 seasons @ G'town probably contributed to his slow start in college? I know it's my issue but it bothers me that folks never talk about this fact when referencing Henry's career @ G'town..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 26, 2015 22:18:33 GMT -5
Now that Henry is close to playing 100 NBA games at the 5 spot, can we acknowledge that his playing the 4 spot during his 1st 2 seasons @ G'town probably contributed to his slow start in college? I know it's my issue but it bothers me that folks never talk about this fact when referencing Henry's career @ G'town.. I honestly fail to see the connection. Of all the things that held Henry back, playing the 4 is way down the list, if it is on it at all.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 26, 2015 22:25:10 GMT -5
Now that Henry is close to playing 100 NBA games at the 5 spot, can we acknowledge that his playing the 4 spot during his 1st 2 seasons @ G'town probably contributed to his slow start in college? I know it's my issue but it bothers me that folks never talk about this fact when referencing Henry's career @ G'town.. I honestly fail to see the connection. Of all the things that held Henry back, playing the 4 is way down the list, if it is on it at all. C'mon SF--you have to know by now that the worst thing that can happen to a young big guy is to play the 4 when they are actually a 5 or vice versa. I mean, its not like the positions are basically the same position, especially in motion based offenses like the Princetown. I mean, look at what happened to Hopkins!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 26, 2015 22:31:12 GMT -5
I honestly fail to see the connection. Of all the things that held Henry back, playing the 4 is way down the list, if it is on it at all. C'mon SF--you have to know by now that the worst thing that can happen to a young big guy is to play the 4 when they are actually a 5 or vice versa. I mean, its not like the positions are basically the same position, especially in motion based offenses like the Princetown. I mean, look at what happened to Hopkins! Snark aside (though I enjoy it), I can understand defensively. If Henry's PT was limited by the fact that small 4s were torching him or something... I could basically see it. But it was really across his entire game, not just dealing with quick fours or anything.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 26, 2015 23:03:08 GMT -5
Well I think the point POD is trying to make is that Cameron's one discernible skill should easily translate to the college game. If he gets open looks, he should be able to knock them down as it's almost exactly the same as HS. Same with Domingo. In the cases of Sims and Bowen, it was more a case of their game not translating and/or being projects. Or in Sims case, not working hard enough. I happen to agree with POD. It's pretty astounding that the two guys in recent years that we've brought in to do nothing but shoot have been very poor shooters. Kind of baffling. I was a big fan of the staff signing Cameron but to me he never was and never will be a 3, it doesn't matter how much weight he loses.. I think he would have been better served trying to be more like Niang @ Iowa State.. In the end though he still wouldn't have gotten much time this season because White & Copeland are better players than he is.. In hindsight Domingo wasn't at all ready to play HM ball, taking him a year early was a mistake.. As a side note.. Now that Henry is close to playing 100 NBA games at the 5 spot, can we acknowledge that his playing the 4 spot during his 1st 2 seasons @ G'town probably contributed to his slow start in college? I know it's my issue but it bothers me that folks never talk about this fact when referencing Henry's career @ G'town.. Maybe a small factor - but since Hank himself has said that his biggest problem was his failure to take it seriously and work hard enough his first 2 years - I'll go with that.
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Post by bicentennial on Jan 26, 2015 23:10:41 GMT -5
And ultimately some of the success of our bigs in the league are their understanding of both 4/5 positions and their ability to read offenses and defenses. As such playing both big positions helps create a deeper understanding of the game, that is never a bad thing.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 26, 2015 23:13:55 GMT -5
Well I think the point POD is trying to make is that Cameron's one discernible skill should easily translate to the college game. If he gets open looks, he should be able to knock them down as it's almost exactly the same as HS. Same with Domingo. In the cases of Sims and Bowen, it was more a case of their game not translating and/or being projects. Or in Sims case, not working hard enough. I happen to agree with POD. It's pretty astounding that the two guys in recent years that we've brought in to do nothing but shoot have been very poor shooters. Kind of baffling. Thank you. Sims and Bowen aren't comparable, because they fall into the category of guys who were either projects and didn't dominate in HS (Sims was pretty good but we knew he'd be a project, much like Roy his first couple years) or guys with a pretty good all around game that doesn't translate immediately because the players they're competing against are just better (Bowen). But Domingo and Cameron had a skill that translates so easily to the college game. Unfortunately "had" seems to be the operative term there.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 26, 2015 23:30:39 GMT -5
Well I think the point POD is trying to make is that Cameron's one discernible skill should easily translate to the college game. If he gets open looks, he should be able to knock them down as it's almost exactly the same as HS. Same with Domingo. In the cases of Sims and Bowen, it was more a case of their game not translating and/or being projects. Or in Sims case, not working hard enough. I happen to agree with POD. It's pretty astounding that the two guys in recent years that we've brought in to do nothing but shoot have been very poor shooters. Kind of baffling. Thank you. Sims and Bowen aren't comparable, because they fall into the category of guys who were either projects and didn't dominate in HS (Sims was pretty good but we knew he'd be a project, much like Roy his first couple years) or IIRC, during his senior year, Hank mentioned in an interview that his game resembled KDurant's. I don't think he thought of himself as a project.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 26, 2015 23:32:31 GMT -5
Things must be going pretty well if we're discussing minutes for Reggie and Henry's lack of development due to his position. Reggie will play when he shows he can shoot and Henry said his biggest problem was Henry. Who's got the next swing on the horse?
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Post by b52legend on Jan 26, 2015 23:37:55 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron is doing fine. The criticism that he "had" a skill is ridiculous. I guess DSR used to be a good shooter -- that joker is shooting 40% this year, down from last year.
The fact is that Cameron needs to focus most on everything OTHER than his shot - defense, rebounding, passing, transition offense, mental toughness, etc. These are the things that are going to make Cameron a contributor when his shot isn't on. One look at his shooting form tells me that his troubles converting in game are more likely due to (i) relatively small sample size, (ii) lack of confidence and (iii) inability to adapt to being a spot minutes type of guy. I have no doubt that he buries the shots in practice which is why JT3 continues to play the kid. His shot looks silky, and I am confident that we'll start to see it go down.
Saying he "had" a shot based upon 21 shots this season is just ridiculous. If 4 of those shots had dropped he would be shooting 43% and everyone would be saying how he was the sharpshooter we all knew he would be. 4 shots.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 26, 2015 23:48:31 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron is doing fine. The criticism that he "had" a skill is ridiculous. I guess DSR used to be a good shooter -- that joker is shooting 40% this year, down from last year. The fact is that Cameron needs to focus most on everything OTHER than his shot - defense, rebounding, passing, transition offense, mental toughness, etc. These are the things that are going to make Cameron a contributor when his shot isn't on. One look at his shooting form tells me that his troubles converting in game are more likely due to (i) relatively small sample size, (ii) lack of confidence and (iii) inability to adapt to being a spot minutes type of guy. I have no doubt that he buries the shots in practice which is why JT3 continues to play the kid. His shot looks silky, and I am confident that we'll start to see it go down. Saying he "had" a shot based upon 21 shots this season is just ridiculous. If 4 of those shots had dropped he would be shooting 43% and everyone would be saying how he was the sharpshooter we all knew he would be. 4 shots. Cameron is not a good shooter at this point by any standard. He has now taken 100 threes in his career. He has made 30. And it's not like he's playing in crunch time. If he could shoot at all, ignore all that other stuff, he'd be getting some minutes. We knew those other areas would be lacking early on, maybe forever, but if he can't shoot, he has no place on the floor.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 26, 2015 23:58:49 GMT -5
Reggie Cameron is doing fine. The criticism that he "had" a skill is ridiculous. I guess DSR used to be a good shooter -- that joker is shooting 40% this year, down from last year. The fact is that Cameron needs to focus most on everything OTHER than his shot - defense, rebounding, passing, transition offense, mental toughness, etc. These are the things that are going to make Cameron a contributor when his shot isn't on. One look at his shooting form tells me that his troubles converting in game are more likely due to (i) relatively small sample size, (ii) lack of confidence and (iii) inability to adapt to being a spot minutes type of guy. I have no doubt that he buries the shots in practice which is why JT3 continues to play the kid. His shot looks silky, and I am confident that we'll start to see it go down. Saying he "had" a shot based upon 21 shots this season is just ridiculous. If 4 of those shots had dropped he would be shooting 43% and everyone would be saying how he was the sharpshooter we all knew he would be. 4 shots. So, in other words, if he nearly doubled his shooting percentage people wouldn't be having this discussion? Agreed. It's a small sample size this year. He didn't shoot well last year either. He was recruited as a plus shooter not a plus defender or rebounder. If he could do those other things better, he might get more time as well. He's never going to be a plus defender. He has good instincts with regard to rebounding but isn't all that strong. To even throw DSR's name into your "point" sort of blew it up from the get-go. There isn't a skill that Reggie has that compares to a skill that DSR has to this point.
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