Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 25, 2013 22:15:00 GMT -5
SF, were the people of SF really rooting against Ellison?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 25, 2013 22:15:59 GMT -5
As Howard Cossell would say, "the best comeback in the history of sports!" Nah. The humble one would never say in 8 words what he could say in 80. LOL! You're right.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 25, 2013 22:32:46 GMT -5
SF, were the people of SF really rooting against Ellison? According to a friend who was there, no.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 25, 2013 22:34:35 GMT -5
So Ellison again gets to decide the format for next time...yay? If he really wants to do something different, let's go back to mono and open it up.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 26, 2013 9:16:44 GMT -5
So Ellison again gets to decide the format for next time...yay? If he really wants to do something different, let's go back to mono and open it up. Nah, he's going to do something crazy, like hold the race in outer space. Keep pushing the limit Ellison!
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 26, 2013 12:31:12 GMT -5
SF, were the people of SF really rooting against Ellison? Not from what I saw. Regardless of everyone's personal feelings on Larry Ellison, it seems most of the crowd was pro-Oracle/USA. It's also worth noting, however, that apparently very few Oracle team members were actually born in the U.S. Anyways, though I really know next to nothing about sailing, quite an incredible comeback, and while of course I am biased, I thought San Francisco was a beautiful place to hold this event. Overall though, didn't really change my opinion that this is a sport for billionaires.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 26, 2013 13:29:47 GMT -5
So Ellison again gets to decide the format for next time...yay? If he really wants to do something different, let's go back to mono and open it up. As much as I would love to see that, I think they should stick with these boats for a couple of cups. They are exciting and bring more attention to the race.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 26, 2013 17:15:40 GMT -5
Anyways, though I really know next to nothing about sailing, quite an incredible comeback, and while of course I am biased, I thought San Francisco was a beautiful place to hold this event. Overall though, didn't really change my opinion that this is a sport for billionaires. If my surrogate thinks SF is a beautiful place to hold this event, it must be. Actually, SF is one of my two favorite cities in US, and the setting in SF is beautiful. We like to take the ferry into SF, whenever we are there, and to see the skyline when approaching the ferry building is just wonderful. And to see those space age boat in this setting, that is beyond compare. I guess this was the first close course, so it was a great venue to have that.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 4, 2013 10:13:15 GMT -5
It was a pretty fantastic event, and Oracle's comeback over and over was pretty incredible. To be down 8-1 and win eight straight... wow. They both changed their boat and improved their sailing. It's always great when seeing a comeback to understand what made it happen.
For the next one:
1) Keep it in SF. Consistently good wins in an interior bay, tourist destination, on US TV Time, and infrastructure already there. It's not a big enough deal to build even what was built or to do it again, but it would be much easier to build OFF what was built.
2) Keep the boats on the bleeding edge, though find a way to make them cheaper, such as going to the 45's. In the old monohull days, most races were over five minutes into a 3-hour race. The team that led at the start won 80% of the time, and the comeback move was to split and get lucky with a win shift.
Compare to now, where the boats are hard enough to handle that even world class sailors can have bad tacks and failed execution and strategic choices 20+ times a 22 minutes race. The monohulls were a marathon -- where there's only one dramatic move in two hours and you missed it for commercials. The cats are more like other forms of racing.
But the cost is too high. The best America's Cup ever was 1987 in Perth, partially because it was an amazing redemption story and partially because it was huge winds and waves but mostly because there were a ton of challengers and defenders. The 45' promotional tour they have last year had 10 boats -- let's do that.
Instead of a sport for billionaires, let's make it a sport for multi-millionaires!
3) The US may get it's butt kicked, but let's go back to nationality rules. It probably won't be popular with the top sailors (Spithill won't get Oracle cash even if there's multiple Aussie syndicates) but it's not nearly as fun without the nationality aspect -- even if Oracle was clearly the American crowd favorite.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 5, 2013 0:59:24 GMT -5
SF, thanks for the perspective.
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