calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jul 23, 2013 12:27:30 GMT -5
Calhoya, I'm not so sure it is a 4-5 problem as just a 5 problem. Lubick is a really solid blue collar 4. He covers the boards really well, get tip backs, works pick and roll finishes really well, and defense the 4 (and often 5) really well. Nate isn't a showman but gets everything done he needs to and has a nice soft running or stationary hook that lands much of the time. His good mid-range shot of years past hasn't been a go to as much in the last year. Last year Hopkins filled in at 5, which isn't a great fit for him, but he has done a good job picking up what is needed to be credible as a 5, not great but credible. I'm not sure how much a pure 5 will be needed in the Big East this year, but having that could and likely will make for a lot of mis-matches in GU's favor. Hopkins is a rather natural 4 with the size, speed, quickness, face the basket play, and inside banging for tip backs and rebounds. With a real 5 in the mix I think Hopkins would create a big mismatch for other teams in GU's favor at 4. With Cameron as a tweener 3 to 4 that can really stretch a zone, as well as work inside for rebounds (his defense needs a bit of work, but that will come. The 4 for Hoyas could create a lot of mismatches and favor for them this year. But, this takes the 5 getting up to speed, particularly in the JTIII system. With Smith, Ayegba, and Hayes (he is getting there) this real 5, or real enough, could be a nice twist this year. JTIII adjusts and tweaks based on who he has and their skills with in his system. It could get interesting, much like early last year when the starting line-up had 4 6'8" or taller players starting. Good points. Not certain Hopkins will play much at the 4 this year unless Moses and Smith can handle the 5. Moses will have to develop an offensive game--which may happen as he gains even more mobility following a year of recovery from ACL. Smith has the tools, but may not have the endurance, though there is still some time. Hopefully he can contribute in bursts of 6-7 minutes with the remainder of the time handled by Moses and Hopkins. I do not expect much from Hayes and it is really a shame he lost a year of eligibility for the very little playing time he got. I can see the team going smaller with a three guard line-up that features Jabril, DSR and Starks. Of course that could change if Cameron and Domingo can prove ready to contribute on defense as well as offense. Also, Bowen, though only around 6' 5", plays like he is much taller with the bounce and quickness. It is going to be a very interesting year for the school and the conference. Going to spend time rooting for alot of teams I normally hate--Nova, St. Johns, Xavier, etc.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 23, 2013 12:40:07 GMT -5
Ultimately, I think our lineup is going to be dictated by who can get things done during the regular season. That's why DSR got more playing time toward the end of the season. Obviously Whittington's absence opened up minutes, but DSR was arguably the second best offensive player behind Porter - or third, behind Porter and Starks. That's why his minutes increased, because we had trouble scoring and those guys could get points on the board.
I think it's hard to underestimate how much of a difference an effective Josh Smith could make in this offense. Even when Smith was not at peak physical form at UCLA, he was still a very effective player his freshman and sophomore years. Those versions of Smith would be huge improvements on what we got from Hopkins last year, so I think it could make a huge difference.
The other benefit is having a potent offensive threat in the post should really open things up for our perimeter players and guards. Last year, other teams could basically sag off on Lubick and Hopkins was so inefficient, that he wasn't really a threat.
I'd love to see improvement from Hopkins, but I really think once he's available, Smith will drastically improve the offense, even if he's physically limited to 20-25 minutes a game.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 23, 2013 12:53:03 GMT -5
I wasn't there and I REALLY appreciate the reports, but let's calm down with Trawick being equal or better than Victor Oladipo at anything. Victor was one of the best handful of players in the country last year. I would be very happy if Trawick makes the leap to being being a potential All-BE player. Ability and production are two very different things. The above poster is comparing certain abilities....which is completely fair. This time last year this would have been a very debatable discussion about who was actually the better player. Don't act as if comparing the two is blasphemous.
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biggmanu
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Post by biggmanu on Jul 23, 2013 12:56:02 GMT -5
I saw Roy is headed back to the DMV today. I hope he's in the mix at Kenner this weekend.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 23, 2013 13:00:41 GMT -5
Oladipo has a better jumper. The two have comparable handle, IMO. They are comparable athletes (dipo is more bouncy, but both have similar verts). Both are plus defenders (I think dipo is slightly overrated, being less disciplined). Jabril is a better passer. Jabril has much better size. Jabril is stronger. They are comparable rebounders.
I don't see why the discussion can't be had. Sure Oladipo was one of the best players in college ball last year but Jabril is only going into his junior year. He could end up having a better junior year and be a force as a senior.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 23, 2013 13:21:05 GMT -5
Oladipo has a better jumper. The two have comparable handle, IMO. They are comparable athletes (dipo is more bouncy, but both have similar verts). Both are plus defenders (I think dipo is slightly overrated, being less disciplined). Jabril is a better passer. Jabril has much better size. Jabril is stronger. They are comparable rebounders. I don't see why the discussion can't be had. Sure Oladipo was one of the best players in college ball last year but Jabril is only going into his junior year. He could end up having a better junior year and be a force as a senior. I think most people would be happy if Jabril went from 5.8ppg, 2.9 rpg & 1.9 apg and shooting 40% his sophomore year with a 95.7 ORTG to 10.8ppg, 5.3rpg & 2apg on 47% shooting with a 106.6 ORTG (Oladipo's sophomore year). If he makes the jump to 13.6ppg, 6.3rpg and 2.1apg on 59.9% shooting (and 44% on threes) with a 122.3 ORTG (Porter had a 118.9 ORTG last year), we'll all be ecstatic.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Jul 23, 2013 13:43:23 GMT -5
I saw Roy is headed back to the DMV today. I hope he's in the mix at Kenner this weekend. I hope he has a few moments (many hours) for Hayes (oh, Smith too as he's a Hoya big man now too and it comes with the membership).
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 23, 2013 13:55:42 GMT -5
Oladipo has a better jumper. The two have comparable handle, IMO. They are comparable athletes (dipo is more bouncy, but both have similar verts). Both are plus defenders (I think dipo is slightly overrated, being less disciplined). Jabril is a better passer. Jabril has much better size. Jabril is stronger. They are comparable rebounders. I don't see why the discussion can't be had. Sure Oladipo was one of the best players in college ball last year but Jabril is only going into his junior year. He could end up having a better junior year and be a force as a senior. I think most people would be happy if Jabril went from 5.8ppg, 2.9 rpg & 1.9 apg and shooting 40% his sophomore year with a 95.7 ORTG to 10.8ppg, 5.3rpg & 2apg on 47% shooting with a 106.6 ORTG (Oladipo's sophomore year). If he makes the jump to 13.6ppg, 6.3rpg and 2.1apg on 59.9% shooting (and 44% on threes) with a 122.3 ORTG (Porter had a 118.9 ORTG last year), we'll all be ecstatic. Yeah you're right, it's not even a discussion....
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 23, 2013 14:53:03 GMT -5
Going to spend time rooting for a lot of teams I normally hate--Nova, St. Johns, Xavier, etc. That goes for all of us. We'll be - or certainly SHOULD be - pulling for every team in the new Big East when playing OOC teams. Besides, with Cuse and Uconn gone, it won't be that hard. But, give us a year or two and the internecine hatred will return... like in any good conference.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 23, 2013 14:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah you're right, it's not even a discussion.... Come on rock.. it's ok to admit you went a bit overboard. I don't think you'll find anyone in America who will agree with you that it's a decent comparison - the National POY and a guy who was not even honorable mention in the BE.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 23, 2013 14:58:22 GMT -5
I saw Roy is headed back to the DMV today. I hope he's in the mix at Kenner this weekend. I hope he has a few moments (many hours) for Hayes (oh, Smith too as he's a Hoya big man now too and it comes with the membership). That would be awesome. Perhaps Roy can inspire Josh about the importance of his work ethic. We all remember how Roy couldn't even run properly when he arrived at GU. They wanted to redshirt him but there was no one else. And Hayes - he could learn determination, perseverance and skills -- on O and D. Heck, Roy can teach any of these kids a lot - just as earlier generations of Hoyas have done over the years. What a great tradition.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jul 23, 2013 15:10:14 GMT -5
Let's have the discussion. Hell, we had a serious discussion during the season about whether it was JT3's fault that Aaron Bowen had not developed as well as Victor Oladipo and become one of the best 3 players in the nation and a lottery pick (spoiler: it was JT3's fault.) But you're seriously underrating how good Oladipo was last year and how rare it is for a player to make a leap like he did last season. I hope that Jabril does the same - he is a talented kid with a great attitude on and off the court.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 23, 2013 15:17:44 GMT -5
Yeah you're right, it's not even a discussion.... Come on rock.. it's ok to admit you went a bit overboard. I don't think you'll find anyone in America who will agree with you that it's a decent comparison - the National POY and a guy who was not even honorable mention in the BE. I didn't go overboard cause I didn't make the original post. If you can't see the difference between comparing two players' production and their capabilities as an athlete then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying they're near the same caliber of player, but the original poster was simply comparing the tools that Jabril has to offer relative to a highly regarded and similarly less-skilled athlete who went #2 overall in the draft. Not to mention that Jabril is two years younger so the comparison is completely justifiable if you compare where Oladipo was going into his junior year. Are you trying to say that Oladipo is completely superior to Jabril in all facets of the game? All the dude was saying is that he hopes Jabril can develop his skill enough to get drafted/play in the NBA one day. Considering he possesses other NBA qualities. Comparing him to Oladipo because their skill development was the biggest part of their game that was lacking to play in the nba. Going into his senior year Oladipo was not really on many peoples' draft radar but he worked to improve his game. I don't see how that is an unreasonable notion or how that's going overboard.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 23, 2013 16:26:30 GMT -5
I saw Roy is headed back to the DMV today. I hope he's in the mix at Kenner this weekend. I hope he has a few moments (many hours) for Hayes (oh, Smith too as he's a Hoya big man now too and it comes with the membership). If Roy does play at Kenner this weekend, are there any educated guesses as to what team he would play for?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 23, 2013 18:25:07 GMT -5
I hope he has a few moments (many hours) for Hayes (oh, Smith too as he's a Hoya big man now too and it comes with the membership). That would be awesome. Perhaps Roy can inspire Josh about the importance of his work ethic. We all remember how Roy couldn't even run properly when he arrived at GU. They wanted to redshirt him but there was no one else. And Hayes - he could learn determination, perseverance and skills -- on O and D. Heck, Roy can teach any of these kids a lot - just as earlier generations of Hoyas have done over the years. What a great tradition. It starts with Roy teaching them to Gangnam Style dance .
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Post by saxagael on Jul 23, 2013 18:37:29 GMT -5
If Roy does play at Kenner this weekend, are there any educated guesses as to what team he would play for? My guess would be DCX which had Starks and Lubick, or A.Wash with Bowen and Allen. The downside is DCX plays once and A.Wash twice over the three game day weekend. The Tomb's and Clyde's have Smith and Hayes respectively. DCX, A.Wash, and Team Takeover have Hoyas on them, but Takeover is nearly all former Takeover AAU players. But, being Kenner little can be ruled in or out.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 23, 2013 19:06:56 GMT -5
Roy should take both of them for a walk around campus. At the end of the walk, he should say that that's the route he ran time and time again to get into running form for the games.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 26, 2013 16:59:04 GMT -5
Is the original schedule accurate for tomorrow, ie Tombs at 1? I seem to remember there being a change when I checked the schedule in the gym last week, but I of course didn't write anything down.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 26, 2013 18:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by BM-GW on Jul 27, 2013 12:10:24 GMT -5
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