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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 30, 2014 15:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 16:25:41 GMT -5
Definitely thought he was going to Kansas. Texas has been getting good centers with Shaq Cleare and now Turner....
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 30, 2014 21:17:32 GMT -5
Good. I like Texas.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 30, 2014 21:27:17 GMT -5
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 30, 2014 22:53:03 GMT -5
Definitely thought he was going to Kansas. Texas has been getting good centers with Shaq Cleare and now Turner.... You're really gona group Shaq Cleare in with "good"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 23:21:56 GMT -5
Definitely thought he was going to Kansas. Texas has been getting good centers with Shaq Cleare and now Turner.... You're really gona group Shaq Cleare in with "good"? He was #40 in his class. I bet he'll develop into a player after having to sit out a year......
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Post by rockhoya on May 1, 2014 8:04:10 GMT -5
Shaq Cleare is a bum. Wouldn't even take him on the hoyas
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 8:22:54 GMT -5
Shaq Cleare is a bum. Wouldn't even take him on the hoyas Wow. The guy has played 2 seasons and we all know it takes bigs a little longer to develop. And as we've seen with our own players, some never do. I wonder what you thought of Henry Sims after his sophomore year? Nobody is saying Cleare is the next Shaq, but he's a big that with some time and development can turn into a decent player. Texas isnt some joke program....
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Post by rockhoya on May 1, 2014 11:40:28 GMT -5
Shaq Cleare is a bum. Wouldn't even take him on the hoyas Wow. The guy has played 2 seasons and we all know it takes bigs a little longer to develop. And as we've seen with our own players, some never do. I wonder what you thought of Henry Sims after his sophomore year? Nobody is saying Cleare is the next Shaq, but he's a big that with some time and development can turn into a decent player. Texas isnt some joke program.... I thought Henry was fine. That's you opinion, and that's fine. But I wouldn't have taken him out of high school and I still wouldn't - there are better options out there. Relative to other bigs, he's a bum. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 12:41:40 GMT -5
Wow. The guy has played 2 seasons and we all know it takes bigs a little longer to develop. And as we've seen with our own players, some never do. I wonder what you thought of Henry Sims after his sophomore year? Nobody is saying Cleare is the next Shaq, but he's a big that with some time and development can turn into a decent player. Texas isnt some joke program.... I thought Henry was fine. That's you opinion, and that's fine. But I wouldn't have taken him out of high school and I still wouldn't - there are better options out there. Relative to other bigs, he's a bum. But that's just my opinion. You thought Henry was fine after his sophomore year? Aside from the fact that Cleare's numbers were slightly better than Henry's at this point in their careers, ok, then.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/henry-sims-1.htmlsports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61799/shaquille-cleareThe point is that both were/are very mediocre at this point in their careers. And with the prospects we're on now, I wouldnt want him to transfer to Gtown either. I don't think anyone has said we should recruit him. But he's not a bum and Texas was smart to pick him up with a year of development to go until he ever plays for them. Besides, he might still just be a backup for them, but that's not a bad role player to have by any measure.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 1, 2014 12:43:33 GMT -5
I am really glad Turner did not choose dook.
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Post by rockhoya on May 1, 2014 14:25:16 GMT -5
I thought Henry was fine. That's you opinion, and that's fine. But I wouldn't have taken him out of high school and I still wouldn't - there are better options out there. Relative to other bigs, he's a bum. But that's just my opinion. You thought Henry was fine after his sophomore year? Aside from the fact that Cleare's numbers were slightly better than Henry's at this point in their careers, ok, then.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/henry-sims-1.htmlsports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61799/shaquille-cleareThe point is that both were/are very mediocre at this point in their careers. And with the prospects we're on now, I wouldnt want him to transfer to Gtown either. I don't think anyone has said we should recruit him. But he's not a bum and Texas was smart to pick him up with a year of development to go until he ever plays for them. Besides, he might still just be a backup for them, but that's not a bad role player to have by any measure. Dude you're too focused on numbers and rankings, for one. So the basis of your argument is iffy anyway.
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Post by rockhoya on May 1, 2014 14:25:55 GMT -5
I thought Henry was fine. That's you opinion, and that's fine. But I wouldn't have taken him out of high school and I still wouldn't - there are better options out there. Relative to other bigs, he's a bum. But that's just my opinion. You thought Henry was fine after his sophomore year? Aside from the fact that Cleare's numbers were slightly better than Henry's at this point in their careers, ok, then.... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/henry-sims-1.htmlsports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61799/shaquille-cleareThe point is that both were/are very mediocre at this point in their careers. And with the prospects we're on now, I wouldnt want him to transfer to Gtown either. I don't think anyone has said we should recruit him. But he's not a bum and Texas was smart to pick him up with a year of development to go until he ever plays for them. Besides, he might still just be a backup for them, but that's not a bad role player to have by any measure. Dude you're too focused on numbers and rankings, for one. So the basis of your argument is iffy anyway. Please tell me what you think he does well?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 14:38:44 GMT -5
Not much, but he's a body and probably was better than Moses and Hayes this year. If you're a sophomore big man in CBB and you're doing things well you're likely on the draft board anyway. All I'm saying is that it's a smart pickup for Texas given they have a free year to develop him and go up against Turner. Worst case is that he's a backup bigman for 2 years. Not a huge amount of downside there, that's all I'm saying.
I'm not focused on ranking or numbers btw, just saying you coulda made the exact same claim about Sims after sophomore year. Coulda argued: overrated ranking and limited productivity. If you were saying Henry was sitting pretty at that point in his career, congrats, you were probably one of the very few. Even one year later people were saying he was a flop. Again, my only point is that it's early to be calling anyone a bum....
But hey, you very well may be right and he doesnt pan out to be anything more than a 8 mins a game type of guy. I respect your opinion and the basis for it....
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Post by rockhoya on May 1, 2014 15:02:12 GMT -5
If you're a sophomore big man in CBB and you're doing things well you're likely on the draft board anyway. This is asinine. Look, I'm not hating on the guy, but he just isn't good. And his ceiling isn't that high. If your only argument is that it's too early to call him a bum for not doing anything well then you win this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 15:09:17 GMT -5
If you're a sophomore big man in CBB and you're doing things well you're likely on the draft board anyway. This is asinine I love how you pick one sentence out of context from an entire post and then get nasty about it. My point was, what do you expect from a sophomore big man that had Len ahead of him last year and and guys ahead of him this year. If youre not a one and done or two and done big you're probably gonna need all four years -- or longer -- to develop. Apparently, in your world there's no middle ground. Edit: just saw you edited in another sentence at the end. yes, i think it's early that's all. anyway, lets stop spilling ink over something that's not very important....
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Post by rockhoya on May 2, 2014 10:32:38 GMT -5
I love how you pick one sentence out of context from an entire post and then get nasty about it. My point was, what do you expect from a sophomore big man that had Len ahead of him last year and and guys ahead of him this year. If youre not a one and done or two and done big you're probably gonna need all four years -- or longer -- to develop. Apparently, in your world there's no middle ground. Edit: just saw you edited in another sentence at the end. yes, i think it's early that's all. anyway, lets stop spilling ink over something that's not very important.... That has nothing to do with him doing things well. You still cant name anything you think he does well. I expect him to bring something to the table like almost every other big in the country.
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Post by daymondmyles on May 2, 2014 12:25:16 GMT -5
Now, nobody has hated on Hayes more than me, but my criticism has always been more on his motor than his skills or athleticism. He DOES do some things well. He has relatively nice touch and plays big (doesn't bring the ball down and get stripped for example). However, he is pretty terrible at a lot of things too. He basically only has one move; he's not very decisive or intuitive; he's slow footed on defense; he's a bad rebounder, etc. That being said, most, if not all, of these things can be fixed but it's incumbent on him to put the work in. I wouldn't bet on it but the point is he's not unsalvagable.
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