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Post by SSHoya on Jul 5, 2013 12:42:17 GMT -5
Pertinax, thanks for the civil discussion. Perspective is always a good thing, and as one gets older hopefully one gains it! I found this little tidbit about Shakespeare -- in his day, known for his ribaldry and puns regarding sex!
"Shakespeare wrote plays for a diverse audience. His acting company, the Lord Chamberlain’s Men, would perform before the same plays before courts of Queen Elizabeth and James I that they produced in Southwark theatres with convenient whorehouse access. Shakespeare’s plays had to cater to every possible demographic, so he had to write material that everyone could enjoy. Fortunately, he was clever enough to know what any modern-day Hollywood producer could tell you: sex sells.
“Shakespeare realized sexual jokes, especially double entendres, put the twinkle in the performance,” says John Basil, artistic director of the American Globe Theatre. “He’s never crude but he always reminds us of our humanity on every level.” Now, let’s be clear: Shakespeare was not straight-up writing porn (his most explicit play, Henry VI, Part 2, contains a whorish total of six kisses). He used his gift for wordplay to weave some clever sexual imagery and naughty puns into every play…and I do mean every play.
“The plays are absolutely packed with filth,” says Héloïse Sénéchal, editor of the Royal Shakespeare Company’s edition of the Complete Works. “I’ve found more than a hundred terms for vagina alone.” I bet your high school English teacher forgot to mention that."
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Post by pertinax on Jul 5, 2013 13:05:37 GMT -5
You're quite right. And his aim, I believe was to be witty. For example, in Act One of Hamlet, after encountering his father's ghost, Hamlet rolls over so he's flat on his stomach and says, "And shall I couple hell?" The word :couple," then, was understood as our "F word." John Barrymore (needless to say) made much of the line!
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Post by pertinax on Jul 5, 2013 13:08:54 GMT -5
There was no distant galaxy Shakespeare wouldn't reach to for a bawdy pun.
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Post by pertinax on Jul 5, 2013 14:04:12 GMT -5
TO THE MODERATOR: However, to give credit where it is deserved, I must commend you from not delating any part of our exchange.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 5, 2013 14:50:14 GMT -5
Going on the assumption that both prior posts were directed my way, a couple comments.
Earlier in this thread, someone asked someone else to reveal their real name and their Georgetown connection (certainly not required here as there are many valid reasons for not wanting your real name out here on a public board). Well, I could hide behind the anonymous 'MODERATOR' but you know who I am. There are positives and negatives to that approach: some will assume I am injecting my opinion when I act as a moderator. I try my best not to do that, most times more successfully than a few others. As I linked earlier in this thread, we have a longstanding set of rules for board behavior and when I 'moderate' it's either to explain or enforce them. It's often misinterpreted as an opinion judgement when in 99% of the cases it is not (this case included). As a general rule, I try to indicate my 'moderator' posts with a different color font or as an edit/addition to a post. Pretty much anything else is my own.
As for non-deletion, we rarely delete anything unless it is way out of bounds and/or the poster has been warned and chosen to ignore that warning. Where's the fun in a discussion, basketball-related or not, if posts mysteriously vanish?
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Post by pertinax on Jul 5, 2013 15:45:10 GMT -5
Good. We have smoked the peace pipe. Have a wonderful weekend.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2013 19:58:36 GMT -5
Taking my cue from CWS' last post, please be mindful of respect for other posters. Since several of you are the same age as my father, I'd ask you to act your age and be respectful to other posters regardless of your disagreement with their views. If you cannot control that, I as moderator will be more than happy to edit your posts for you. As is clearly stated in the board posting rules, name calling directed against other board participants has no place here and will not be tolerated. In that vein, pejorative terms like "old white guys" are similarly unwelcome and subject to editing. So Dan, are you suggesting that a horribly racist pejorative term like "Redskins" is OK, but "old white guys" is not?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 5, 2013 20:09:14 GMT -5
So Dan, are you suggesting that a horribly racist pejorative term like "Redskins" is OK, but "old white guys" is not? Apples and oranges, grasshopper. I have yet to see any board participant called a Redskin here.
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Post by hoyaloya on Jul 6, 2013 11:07:54 GMT -5
Moderator: I take a two days off from contributing and fall pages behind - but here is a gentle jest re an earlier post of yours – I hope you will take it with a smile. Does telling other posters to “act your age” violate the referenced rules, to wit, “name calling directed against other board participants has no place here and will not be tolerated. …, pejorative terms… are similarly unwelcome …”? [SMILE?] MOD NOTE: if it's any consolation, I say the same thing to my kids.
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Post by hoyaloya on Jul 6, 2013 11:14:16 GMT -5
CWS -Thank you for continuing the dialogue.
I think we have reached the agree-to-disagree stage as to 3 issues: whether the double effect situation is an abortion exception; whether all homosexuality is pre-ordained, and whether the protest would have been lessened had the word activity been added. I do agree that the Church in the last 30 years has made laudable efforts to protect the human dignity of homosexuals.
You comment that you suspect you agree with my statement “regarding the wording of the apology” but are “not sure what I mean.” I will endeavor to explain. Your initial post on this subject stated:
“…but I think there are a number of errors and misleading statements in this [my article]. Just to list one, …look at #12: Cardinal Arinze’s statement here was NOT in keeping with Catholic teaching, a fact which he himself later recognized.”
I asked for the text of the Cardinal’s referenced statement and you candidly and admirably admitted that your knowledge of Cardinal Arinze’s “apology” came from “some of the dean’s staff” who are “trustworthy.”
It is legitimate, and wise, when considering a third party account of a controversial incident, to examine the interests of those giving the account. Here, I submit, the administration staff had an interest in justifying the decision not to defend the Cardinal. As you have pointed out, they would be justified if the Cardinal admitted he was wrong in what he said. But, apparently from what you say, there is no text of his statement.
An “apology” may run the gamut from an admission of wrongdoing with a plea for forgiveness to an expression of regret that someone might have been offended by what was said, the latter being no admission of wrongdoing.
To go back to what I wrote in the article: "12. Cardinal Arinze In 2003, during President DiGioia’s tenure, Cardinal Arinze was the commencement speaker. In the course of his speech stressing the importance of the family, the Cardinal noted that the family “is under siege” and: “…opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery, mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce."
The operative language in this context is that “the family is… mocked by homosexuality.”
You contend it is “no-brainer” that his choice of words was wrong. Is it? Has not the homosexual lobby contended for years that marriage is just as valid between persons of the same sex as between a man and a woman? And has not the Church disagreed and held that marriage is uniquely between a man and a woman?
Georgetown could have taken a number of stances. It could have said the Cardinal’s statement was fair comment on the Church’s position. Or it could have waffled and said, while there are arguments to the contrary, the Cardinal’s position was not unreasonable. Or it could have distanced itself and said academic freedom requires that the Cardinal be allowed to express his beliefs even if they offend others.
Georgetown did none of these. It predictably threw the Cardinal under the PC bus.
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Post by hoyaloya on Jul 11, 2013 12:31:10 GMT -5
So sorry but the hits just keep on coming. Link below - please See item "Abortion Champion represents Very Best of Georgetown" with DiGioia quote. www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/
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Post by pertinax on Jul 11, 2013 16:42:08 GMT -5
Re. "Abortion Champion": About 9 years ago someone who was teaching at GU said to me, "The demons are running rampant on the Georgetown campus." At the time I of course dismissed it, thinking, "Oh, well, imps, maybe, but certainly not demons." It appears I was wrong. My alma mater is being desecrated like the statue of the Virgin Mary in The Exorcist. Heart-breaking and sickening.
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Post by CWS on Jul 11, 2013 21:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by quickplay on Jul 11, 2013 22:16:23 GMT -5
Good thing abortion is the only thing the Church has ever had a policy on. It would be very confusing to decide which politicians to support if the Church had views on poverty, social justice, the death penalty, war...
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 12, 2013 8:00:42 GMT -5
Good thing abortion is the only thing the Church has ever had a policy on. It would be very confusing to decide which politicians to support if the Church had views on poverty, social justice, the death penalty, war... If Georgetown actually taught what the Catholic Church's views on poverty, social justice, the death penalty, war..., you might be surprised to learn the Church does have such views. The Church also has views on the Sacraments, prayer, the Resurrection, the virgin birth, Apostolic succession, transubstantiation, and a myriad of other issues, all ready to be learned.
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Post by quickplay on Jul 12, 2013 20:05:01 GMT -5
I was very much being sarcastic.
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Post by pertinax on Jul 27, 2013 11:16:23 GMT -5
I was very much being sarcastic.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 30, 2013 15:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 31, 2013 8:58:22 GMT -5
I continue to be ashamed I'm a Georgetown grad.
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Post by pertinax on Sept 12, 2013 10:59:23 GMT -5
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