hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 25, 2005 17:51:56 GMT -5
I agree with both SF and the_way, which is probably going to cause my head to fall off my shoulders and roll across the floor (actually, I often agree with SF; it's just the incongruity of it all). This team's best penetrator is Ray Reed, who, if reports are to be believed (and why not?), would often be out of control when doing so. It would be very nice to have strong penetrators, as it would likely improve shot selection for everyone. I am hopeful that Sapp and Egerson will fill that bill.
And we also lack interior strength. But it isn't yet clear if help is on the way in this area. I fully expect Jeff to improve, and Roy to get stronger, but I have no clue where Roy's ceiling is. And I don't know if we have any strong interior play among our new recruits (Spann? that doesn't really sound like his game, from what I've read on the board). It's difficult to fill all your holes at once, but one more strong interior recruit might get us there. It just might not happen next season.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Mar 25, 2005 19:17:49 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Princetown offense. There is no reason to believe it is not big east caliber I think sweet daddy has not been paying all that much attention to the hoyas this year. What we need is to revolutionize the princeton offense, making it the Princetown offense, is a slasher or two. There is no reason to say any offense is not big east caliber. Maybe the way an offense is run isn't big east caliber but even then our offense ran quite well in its 1ST YEAR and with 4 FRESHMEN in key roles. In fact this offense may end up being too much for the rest of the big east to handle. I suggest you study the hoyas more, sweetdaddy, before you make such bold comments as saying our offense does not work.
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Post by sweetdaddy on Mar 28, 2005 16:30:35 GMT -5
I have been paying attention and you made 0 points in your reply whatsoever. saying we should revolutionize the princeton o is about the dumbest thing i've heard in any sport. are you kidding me? that o is for a team w/limited atheletic ability so the try to lull you to sleep then slip backdoor. just too many negatives for our level w/ our players. we only had one really good passer and he is one of our big men, and we don't have a bunch of sharpshooters like princeton did. i don't mind that as a change of pace, but it shouldn't be our full time o. it is one of the main reasons we lost 5 in a row- the reliance on outside shooting to win games. it is just not the best o for this team, like it or not.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 28, 2005 16:45:06 GMT -5
I also keep hearing people say that NBA teams run the Princeton Offense.Take the Wizards for example. Eddie Jordan has yet to really implement the offense because of player injury and turnover these past two years. He has had to run other type stuff and the team has been successful. The Wizards are successful when Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes and Antwon Jamison make fantastic plays, which are normally outside of the Princeton offense. The Nets run it, but they struggle in a half court game. The were better in fast-break when they made their great run to the Finals. As of this date, there is no NCAA champion or NBA champion that has run the Princeton Offense. The offense is good when you have limited skilled players. Its like the triangle with the championship Lakers and Bulls. Great in the beginning of games to get everyone in the flow of the game, but the offense goes out the window when crunch time comes around and your best players just make plays. JTIII will divert away from it, even JT2 said it himself during the BET. When he gets more depth and talent, he will change things up a bit. JTIII doesn't strike me as guy who is stuck to a system. He is a great coach. The offense was good for the team we had this year, but in the up-coming years, I expect to see a lot of changes and wrinkles in the offensive and defensive schemes of our team.
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Post by One on Mar 28, 2005 16:47:03 GMT -5
Sweetdaddy, I wouldnt say the Sacramento Kings were athletically-deprived the last several years when they were among the league leaders in scoring running an offense based on the principles of Pete Carrill's offense. It seems to me it takes a combination of talent and experience to run this type of offense to its full potential. This was year 1. Give it a chance to take hold.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 28, 2005 17:14:57 GMT -5
Even opposing coaches have said how remarkable a job JT3 did implementing his offense, and some mentioned that it usually takes around 3 years to get it up and running. Since the "offense" is merely old-fashioned ball sharing, I'm not sure at all how that doesn't translate to players in ANY league at ANY level. We didn't penetrate this year because we lacked penetrators. But spacing, crisp passing and team play isn't something that has to be limited to Ivy players. I think being one win away from an NCAA berth in a year we were predicted to finish in the league basement is proof positive of that.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2005 17:48:59 GMT -5
Even opposing coaches have said how remarkable a job JT3 did implementing his offense, and some mentioned that it usually takes around 3 years to get it up and running. Since the "offense" is merely old-fashioned ball sharing, I'm not sure at all how that doesn't translate to players in ANY league at ANY level. We didn't penetrate this year because we lacked penetrators. But spacing, crisp passing and team play isn't something that has to be limited to Ivy players. I think being one win away from an NCAA berth in a year we were predicted to finish in the league basement is proof positive of that. Saxa, you're exactly right. The Princeton is a framework of good spacing wherein the players react to the defense. The Wizards do this, the Kings, NC State and Princeton. It's about instinctualy decision-making and taking what the defense gives you. I see nothing wrong with that. If you have a dominant player, then that's the best option. If you have a bunch of six foot shooters, then that's the best option.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 28, 2005 17:55:36 GMT -5
that o is for a team w/limited atheletic ability so the try to lull you to sleep then slip backdoor. That's like saying an NFL team that runs repeatedly is waiting to lull a secondary to sleep to throw a play-action pass. Yes, some backdoors occur because the defense gets lazy. But not most. The backdoor is open because the defense has committed to something -- just like a defensive back commits to the run allowing a deep ball. The defender extends his defense -- usually because the opposing team has been hitting catch and shoot threes -- and when he does, the offensive player reads that and reacts. Our offense was pretty good this year. Our porblem, if any, is that we didn't have many people who could force the defender to commit.
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