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Post by seaweed on Nov 11, 2015 11:13:42 GMT -5
So we have missed on Woods (UNC), Jones (IU), Brown, Eubanks (A&M), & Norvell (Zaga). With all five we seemed to at one point be in the running. I wonder if this is a normal batting average considering we got Mosely and we are batting .166 in a year where we really needed guards and likely had playing time to offer. If this is how it stays, we desperately need Peak to come back and for Johnson to play a lot of 2 with Peak sometimes handling the point. Mosely will get minutes instantly and Campbell will need to stay healthy and out of foul trouble. Maybe we can land a grad transfer although that hasn't worked out either in the past. Last year people were extremely high on Campbell, even calling him the quickest guard since Iverson. If he's that good he should command about 25-30 minutes a game at point with Jagan getting 10-15 at point, that is unless people have soured on Tre Campbell. people have soured on just about everything around here lately, need the ball to go through the hoop to restore focus, put the ninnies and twits back in their place for the winter
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Nov 11, 2015 11:17:03 GMT -5
So we have missed on Woods (UNC), Jones (IU), Brown, Eubanks (A&M), & Norvell (Zaga). With all five we seemed to at one point be in the running. I wonder if this is a normal batting average considering we got Mosely and we are batting .166 in a year where we really needed guards and likely had playing time to offer. If this is how it stays, we desperately need Peak to come back and for Johnson to play a lot of 2 with Peak sometimes handling the point. Mosely will get minutes instantly and Campbell will need to stay healthy and out of foul trouble. Maybe we can land a grad transfer although that hasn't worked out either in the past. Last year people were extremely high on Campbell, even calling him the quickest guard since Iverson. If he's that good he should command about 25-30 minutes a game at point with Jagan getting 10-15 at point, that is unless people have soured on Tre Campbell. I think Campbell needs to work on his defense a bit. Nice outside jumper, quick in transition but often lets his guy get by him. He'll do fine if he can clean up his defense.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 11, 2015 11:20:39 GMT -5
There is no sour in this at all Prof & Seaweed. I really like Campbell's game. Health & foul trouble is my point. Being as thin as we are at guard for next year, this is just a fact. We either play a ton of zone with a huge line-up when Campbell gets gassed or is in foul trouble or we put Peak on the opposing 1 (assuming Peak stays) and hope that some combo of Johnson, Mosely can guard the 2. Possible, but far from ideal. Any way you cut it, our roster needs additional guard depth and in a class that could take as many as three guards, we are sitting at one.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 11, 2015 11:55:30 GMT -5
We are sitting at one before noon on the first day of the early signing period. If you think we end up with a class of one, then by all means, panic. I have more faith than that in the coaching staff and am sure they will find a way to round out the roster as necessary.
Two things frustrate me about this decision: 1) we are supposed to target kids who are smart enough for our school and this target just made a stupid decision to walk into trouble; and 2) it opens the door to all the uninformed griping about how our roster will be constructed in 1 year and 3 days when we should all be focused on how well our roster is constructed in three days.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 11, 2015 11:57:35 GMT -5
Disappointed, but I'm getting the feeling 2017 is going to be another big year for us recruiting wise. Need to have some success this season tournament wise. DSR getting drafted would also be a great first step for recruiting guards.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Nov 11, 2015 12:00:09 GMT -5
Yeeeeeesh guys.
Is this where we are as Georgetown fans? Insulting this young man because he chose UNC? Questioning his commitment to academics and how that somehow speaks to his character? Please raise your hand if you've spent any time with Seventh, his family, his friends. It's a also a backhanded insult to the staff- there have been a couple hiccups, but generally speaking III and company have brought in excellent young men who have done NOTHING to embarrass the university- they seem to know exactly what they are doing in that regard.
PS- UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. In light of the scandal, I'm sure the athletes are taking legit classes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2015 12:07:37 GMT -5
Tough to blame anyone for picking UNC, though I think everyone going there is going to be surprised when the sanctions come down.
I would have said it was a bad decision had he gone to South Carolina, but that's mostly because I think Martin is a hack and not someone I'd ever want to spend that much time around.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 11, 2015 12:18:15 GMT -5
IF this kid is really smart, he doesn't sign an LOI but a financial assistance package or whatever they call it. If things he the fan, he can then bounce. Agree also that "NOW", they probably do have to take classes as they are under the microscope. I am fine with where we are recruiting I just hope we don't backslide to classes like the graduating class this year and the one behind it. DSR has been great, but the rest have been reaches when trying to play from behind.
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 11, 2015 12:41:44 GMT -5
So we have missed on Woods (UNC), Jones (IU), Brown, Eubanks (A&M), & Norvell (Zaga). With all five we seemed to at one point be in the running. I wonder if this is a normal batting average considering we got Mosely and we are batting .166 in a year where we really needed guards and likely had playing time to offer. If this is how it stays, we desperately need Peak to come back and for Johnson to play a lot of 2 with Peak sometimes handling the point. Mosely will get minutes instantly and Campbell will need to stay healthy and out of foul trouble. Maybe we can land a grad transfer although that hasn't worked out either in the past. You are overstating things. We missed on three of these guys but backed off of the other two.
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Post by lucky on Nov 11, 2015 13:11:56 GMT -5
Slice it however you like, fact remains we are light in the guard spots and the talent pool is rapidly shrinking. Need to have some bubble coaches have terrible seasons so the carousel spins out some quality guards come spring.
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Post by IDenj on Nov 11, 2015 13:14:20 GMT -5
Best bet going forward is to have a monster year and see what shakes out for guards in the spring.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 11, 2015 13:34:15 GMT -5
I am one of the people who is a big fan on Tre Campbell. If anything, I did not think he played enough last year, especially when our offense was sputtering because he was one of the best offensive players we had last year. I am not overly concerned if we only have Mosely, even if Peak leaves.
We would have Tre Campbell, Mosely, and Kaleb Johnson, and my guess is that the staff would add somebody else (Bracey, or someone else that is currently unknown / less touted). If Peak comes back, we'd then essentially have 4 guards. We will be fine either way.
I would not compare Campbell to Iverson because that's silly. However, I will say that among all of JT3's point guards, Campbell put together the best freshman season, and all the others (Wallace, Wright, Starks) saw significant improvement after their freshman years. I expect him to be a great player for us this year and beyond.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 11, 2015 14:07:26 GMT -5
I am one of the people who is a big fan on Tre Campbell. If anything, I did not think he played enough last year, especially when our offense was sputtering because he was one of the best offensive players we had last year. I am not overly concerned if we only have Mosely, even if Peak leaves. We would have Tre Campbell, Mosely, and Kaleb Johnson, and my guess is that the staff would add somebody else (Bracey, or someone else that is currently unknown / less touted). If Peak comes back, we'd then essentially have 4 guards. We will be fine either way. I would not compare Campbell to Iverson because that's silly. However, I will say that among all of JT3's point guards, Campbell put together the best freshman season, and all the others (Wallace, Wright, Starks) saw significant improvement after their freshman years. I expect him to be a great player for us this year and beyond. Hopefully we can compare Tre to Charles Smith by the time he's done!
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 11, 2015 14:11:21 GMT -5
Success begets success. Win this year and our recruiting will benefit.
It's tough to lose out on so many top rated guards, but we have to keep plugging away. We do have some back-up plans in place like DayDay who can help stabilize things until we pull an elite guard recruit from class of 2017.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 11, 2015 14:56:50 GMT -5
Success begets success. Win this year and our recruiting will benefit. It's tough to lose out on so many top rated guards, but we have to keep plugging away. We do have some back-up plans in place like DayDay who can help stabilize things until we pull an elite guard recruit from class of 2017. People also need to realize that we aren't as thin at guard as folks want to say. Next year, we will have 2 PGs on the roster in Campbell and Moseley. Yes, Moseley is a freshman and is more of a combo, but Campbell will be an experienced junior and almost certain to start. We will also likely have 2 SG on the roster in Peak -- who will be a returning 2 year starter -- and Kaleb Johnson, who has apparently been playing very well in practice. It's not incredibly deep, and perhaps there's no star in there (or perhaps there is)... but there seems to be an impression of a ton of available PT. There would be for the right player, but the impression that there's a gaping hole there is not true.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 11, 2015 15:01:06 GMT -5
I like Tre for us. Last year, he had stretches where he shot the ball well, indeed, hit some big shots. As well, he generally was terrific in the open court, quick and aggressive going to the basket with the ball. IMO though, he has yet to prove he runs the offense well. The half court frequently seemed stagnant to me with Tre at the point. I find that aspect of his game to need significant improvement. Hope he takes the leap running the offense.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 11, 2015 15:18:57 GMT -5
I like Tre for us. Last year, he had stretches where he shot the ball well, indeed, hit some big shots. As well, he generally was terrific in the open court, quick and aggressive going to the basket with the ball. IMO though, he has yet to prove he runs the offense well. The half court frequently seemed stagnant to me with Tre at the point. I find that aspect of his game to need significant improvement. Hope he takes the leap running the offense. Love Tre. I think he's going to be great on the offensive end. One thing that worries me is his defense - it was suspect at times last season, but I'm hoping that's where we see the largest improvement this year.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 11, 2015 15:36:11 GMT -5
Yeeeeeesh guys. Is this where we are as Georgetown fans? Insulting this young man because he chose UNC? Questioning his commitment to academics and how that somehow speaks to his character? Please raise your hand if you've spent any time with Seventh, his family, his friends. It's a also a backhanded insult to the staff- there have been a couple hiccups, but generally speaking III and company have brought in excellent young men who have done NOTHING to embarrass the university- they seem to know exactly what they are doing in that regard. PS- UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. In light of the scandal, I'm sure the athletes are taking legit classes. Indeed the smugness from some ppl is really sad.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2015 16:04:56 GMT -5
Yeeeeeesh guys. Is this where we are as Georgetown fans? Insulting this young man because he chose UNC? Questioning his commitment to academics and how that somehow speaks to his character? Please raise your hand if you've spent any time with Seventh, his family, his friends. It's a also a backhanded insult to the staff- there have been a couple hiccups, but generally speaking III and company have brought in excellent young men who have done NOTHING to embarrass the university- they seem to know exactly what they are doing in that regard. PS- UNC is one of the best public schools in the country. In light of the scandal, I'm sure the athletes are taking legit classes. Indeed the smugness from some ppl is really sad. Imagine being judgmental. The kid chose a school that has fostered an atmosphere of academic fraud for the better part of a decade. It may be a great public university, but it's athletes are give no show courses to stay eligible. I do not believe it to be a tremendous stretch to say academics were not Mr. Woods' chief concern. Not for me to judge if they should be or not. However, he is either knowingly buying into what Carolina does, or is blissfully ignorant of it. Neither one screams Georgetown to me.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Nov 11, 2015 16:32:06 GMT -5
Elvado- so you're saying that we should only recruit players who list academics as their #1 concern?
I'm going on a thick limb here...my guess is that III and the staff don't scour through lists of students with high academic achievement and then cross reference that with good basketball players.
And yeah, he is buying into what Carolina does (winning, championships, sending players to the NBA)
Come on man.
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