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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2013 9:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 5, 2013 9:16:33 GMT -5
Wow, I thought they said he was safe. Guess negotiating that B1G deal wasn't enough.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 5, 2013 10:35:26 GMT -5
Wow, I thought they said he was safe. Guess negotiating that B1G deal wasn't enough. HIS, you think we might see some law suits out of this? Pernetti, Murdock, others? What a mess.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2013 10:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 5, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -5
Wow, I thought they said he was safe. Guess negotiating that B1G deal wasn't enough. HIS, you think we might see some law suits out of this? Pernetti, Murdock, others? What a mess. As bleak as things sometimes feel for us, I'm really glad we aren't Rutgers.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 5, 2013 11:52:21 GMT -5
Once Rutgers get this "scandal" behind them (which will be soon I imagine), they will hire a new coach and AD. They should think about expanding or building a Big-10 type football stadium.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2013 14:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 5, 2013 19:32:57 GMT -5
Once Rutgers get this "scandal" behind them (which will be soon I imagine), they will hire a new coach and AD. They should think about expanding or building a Big-10 type football stadium. Huh? They just did that and no one goes.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 5, 2013 22:22:56 GMT -5
Surprise surprise! The plot thickens.... Excerpts: ... the university president and athletic director presented conflicting depictions of who was responsible for the decision to keep the coach on staff after administrators first learned of his behavior.
They also revealed that the circle of people who viewed video.. as early as December was wider than previously understood, and that it included members of the university’s board of governors. That group was informed of the decision to suspend Mr. Rice for three games and send him to anger-management counseling, but not to fire him, according to Ralph Izzo, chairman of the Rutgers board.
Tim Pernetti resigned, and implied that he was being made a scapegoat. He said his initial inclination when he saw the videos last fall was to fire Mr. Rice, but “Rutgers decided to follow a process involving university lawyers, human resources professionals, and outside counsel.”
Robert L. Barchi, the president of Rutgers, placed the blame on Mr. Pernetti and other senior officials who he said recommended that Mr. Rice be suspended rather than fired.
At least one significant donor, David H. Bugen, who runs an investment firm in Chatham N.J., said he was halting plans for a new gift to the university, which he said would have been his largest ever, because he was upset at the way Mr. Pernetti had been treated.
“I am not proud,” Mr. Bugen said. “It is unfortunate how a person can be made a scapegoat.” UH OH! www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/sports/ncaabasketball/athletic-director-tim-pernetti-is-out-in-rutgers-abuse-scandal.html?hp
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 6, 2013 12:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 6, 2013 12:43:23 GMT -5
Once Rutgers get this "scandal" behind them (which will be soon I imagine), they will hire a new coach and AD. They should think about expanding or building a Big-10 type football stadium. Huh? They just did that and no one goes. People will come when they're playing Michigan and OSU though. Rutgers fans are a lot like Georgetown basketball fans--they don't really come to see their own team, but they show up big and loud if the other team is highly ranked or has a strong brand name. It's a northeastern thing, IMO. Whole thing has been a huge mess for the school. Honestly the media outcry has really surprised me. I think they should have fired Rice when the tapes first came to light--both because he's a dbag and because he's really not a good enough coach to be worth any kind of significant headache. But still, I don't think the decision to try to "rehabilitate" him was THAT horrible. His current players stood by him and there were no reported incidents post-suspension, so while I (and obviously most people) might think he should've been let go, I don't think a suspension/anger management was indefensible. Now Pernetti, who was a great AD, is gone and Barchi (who I like because he's a Hoya, but supposedly was doing a great job as president before this too) is feeling a lot of heat as well. And this is the most attention Rutgers sports have gotten in ages. I'm just amazed that it has gotten this big and that there is so much media/external pressure for heads to roll (other than Rice's). Yes, Mike Rice is an ass--anybody familiar with RU basketball before this week pretty much already knew that. But it's not like anyone's lives were ruined here. None of the RU players are going to be scarred or anything by this. They're big boys. I'm glad Rice is gone, but people talking about this like some big scandal is just perplexing to me. Pernetti's release is likely to cause a major rift between the 'academic' types who demanded it and the sports donors. In the end, it could set Rutgers sports back several years.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 6, 2013 13:20:09 GMT -5
Once Rutgers get this "scandal" behind them (which will be soon I imagine), they will hire a new coach and AD. They should think about expanding or building a Big-10 type football stadium. Except they just borrowed $102 million to increase capacity at Rutgers Stadium to 52,454, which was fine for the Big East but in the B10 is smaller than every stadium but Minnesota and Northwestern. Arena wise, there are plans to give the RAC a more modern look but its capacity would rank last among the 14 schools. There are no plans to build a new arena.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2013 15:38:36 GMT -5
the house cleaning continues as they fire the AD. Big money boosters want the prez's scalp too
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 7, 2013 12:19:37 GMT -5
I didn't understand early on why Pernetti was under fire. As it turned out, seems like it was a no win situation for him. Barchi should still have some explaining to do.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 7, 2013 18:40:26 GMT -5
Huh? They just did that and no one goes. People will come when they're playing Michigan and OSU though. Rutgers fans are a lot like Georgetown basketball fans--they don't really come to see their own team, but they show up big and loud if the other team is highly ranked or has a strong brand name. It's a northeastern thing, IMO. Whole thing has been a huge mess for the school. Honestly the media outcry has really surprised me. I think they should have fired Rice when the tapes first came to light--both because he's a dbag and because he's really not a good enough coach to be worth any kind of significant headache. But still, I don't think the decision to try to "rehabilitate" him was THAT horrible. His current players stood by him and there were no reported incidents post-suspension, so while I (and obviously most people) might think he should've been let go, I don't think a suspension/anger management was indefensible. Now Pernetti, who was a great AD, is gone and Barchi (who I like because he's a Hoya, but supposedly was doing a great job as president before this too) is feeling a lot of heat as well. And this is the most attention Rutgers sports have gotten in ages. I'm just amazed that it has gotten this big and that there is so much media/external pressure for heads to roll (other than Rice's). Yes, Mike Rice is an ass--anybody familiar with RU basketball before this week pretty much already knew that. But it's not like anyone's lives were ruined here. None of the RU players are going to be scarred or anything by this. They're big boys. I'm glad Rice is gone, but people talking about this like some big scandal is just perplexing to me. Pernetti's release is likely to cause a major rift between the 'academic' types who demanded it and the sports donors. In the end, it could set Rutgers sports back several years. This sums up my feelings of the situation as well. After reading and hearing all the outrage and hoopla over the whole thing I had expected to see much worse on the video. Not that what he was doing is acceptable, but it wasn't worthy of a week long national story and everyone at Rutgers being fired. This coupled with the over the top reaction to Kevin Ware's broken leg and I'm convinced the media doesn't know what to do with itself without Duke, UNC, and Kentucky still playing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 8, 2013 19:31:21 GMT -5
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 11, 2013 14:16:33 GMT -5
It is time to finish the house cleaning, fire the pres and hire a new one.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2013 15:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by nathanhm on Apr 12, 2013 7:37:56 GMT -5
People will come when they're playing Michigan and OSU though. Rutgers fans are a lot like Georgetown basketball fans--they don't really come to see their own team, but they show up big and loud if the other team is highly ranked or has a strong brand name. It's a northeastern thing, IMO. Whole thing has been a huge mess for the school. Honestly the media outcry has really surprised me. I think they should have fired Rice when the tapes first came to light--both because he's a dbag and because he's really not a good enough coach to be worth any kind of significant headache. But still, I don't think the decision to try to "rehabilitate" him was THAT horrible. His current players stood by him and there were no reported incidents post-suspension, so while I (and obviously most people) might think he should've been let go, I don't think a suspension/anger management was indefensible. Now Pernetti, who was a great AD, is gone and Barchi (who I like because he's a Hoya, but supposedly was doing a great job as president before this too) is feeling a lot of heat as well. And this is the most attention Rutgers sports have gotten in ages. I'm just amazed that it has gotten this big and that there is so much media/external pressure for heads to roll (other than Rice's). Yes, Mike Rice is an ass--anybody familiar with RU basketball before this week pretty much already knew that. But it's not like anyone's lives were ruined here. None of the RU players are going to be scarred or anything by this. They're big boys. I'm glad Rice is gone, but people talking about this like some big scandal is just perplexing to me. Pernetti's release is likely to cause a major rift between the 'academic' types who demanded it and the sports donors. In the end, it could set Rutgers sports back several years. This sums up my feelings of the situation as well. After reading and hearing all the outrage and hoopla over the whole thing I had expected to see much worse on the video. Not that what he was doing is acceptable, but it wasn't worthy of a week long national story and everyone at Rutgers being fired. This coupled with the over the top reaction to Kevin Ware's broken leg and I'm convinced the media doesn't know what to do with itself without Duke, UNC, and Kentucky still playing. I totally disagree. I think the coach has to be fired the minute the video comes to light. He wasn't so the AD has to go as well. Removing this from basketball or sports for a minute, please tell me one institution where this behavior would result in a suspension instead of firing. A professor hitting his students and using vulgar language -- fired. A boss hitting his employees and using vulgar language -- fired. An military officer hitting his soldiers and using vulgar language - dishonorable discharge. Not to mention these kids are in a terrible position. A free education in exchange for being physically and mentally abused. A lot of them coming from homes where this might be the only option for college. Rutgers failed these kids and heads deserve to roll.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 12, 2013 12:14:25 GMT -5
The NCAA would say that there was a loss of institutional control, if they didn't fire the AD
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