IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Oct 4, 2013 12:38:08 GMT -5
I hope when the bottom falls out for this young man that his AAU pimp will be so dedicated in lending him support at that point.
I've been saying it for months that guy Johns is a complete shakedown artist. Live by the sword...
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CaliHoya
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Post by CaliHoya on Oct 4, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5
interesting points daymondmyles. Yea, at the end of the day, fit is the most important - and if he doesn't think we're the best fit, he's probably not the best fit for us either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:09:57 GMT -5
Something will pop up in the Spring, it always happens… We’re in a strong position with 4 solid recruits so hopefully 3 can work some magic, and the chips fall in our direction.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 4, 2013 14:07:04 GMT -5
You can win without a big. Maybe this tips the scale for bringing back a Moses or B Hayes can step up. You can also run the Hoyas of '12 look with a rack of 6'6 to 6'9 guys loading up spots two thru 5. Nice that he put a call into JTIII at a minimum.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Oct 4, 2013 14:18:56 GMT -5
This circus ends Tuesday.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 4, 2013 16:04:16 GMT -5
Sorry for the cynicism, but personally, I'm really excited to find out in which 2015 big man recruits' threads we get to post "Oh well, the staff is going hard after some elite 2016 bigs".
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Oct 4, 2013 20:26:35 GMT -5
Sorry for the cynicism, but personally, I'm really excited to find out in which 2015 big man recruits' threads we get to post "Oh well, the staff is going hard after some elite 2016 bigs". I mean the staff did everything they should have, they made the kid a huge priority, had him on campus, tried to get him for a second visit, at the end of the day it's the athletes decision to make. They're is only so much convincing that can be done, they do their best to sell the program, and if a kid chooses elsewhere, you have to move on. All the staff can do is go hard after the next years class.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 5, 2013 6:43:22 GMT -5
let's not lose sight of the outstanding job the Staff did in assembling our four man class that include 3 FOUR STAR recruits and 1 THREE STAR recruit. Congratulations to JT3 and the assistant coaches!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Oct 5, 2013 8:59:42 GMT -5
maybe we can even land a better player - Oubre / Travis etc. (i know they ain't 5 but hey! )
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Oct 5, 2013 9:03:20 GMT -5
let's not lose sight of the outstanding job the Staff did in assembling our four man class that include 3 FOUR STAR recruits and 1 THREE STAR recruit. Congratulations to JT3 and the assistant coaches! Campbell / Peak are also 4 stars per Scout
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Post by daymondmyles on Oct 5, 2013 12:59:11 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. Those are the types of bigs we may need to target and close early. I think this is somewhat limited to bigs because there are so few bigs to go around and are much more prone to be subject to latcher ons/shady handlers. To be clear, I don't fault the staff for this. Instead I'm suggesting that we learn from the situation and think about possibly changing the way we approach a certain position.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 5, 2013 14:58:22 GMT -5
Wish Elbert had chosen Georgetown but I wish him the best.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Oct 5, 2013 19:29:19 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. Those are the types of bigs we may need to target and close early. I think this is somewhat limited to bigs because there are so few bigs to go around and are much more prone to be subject to latcher ons/shady handlers. To be clear, I don't fault the staff for this. Instead I'm suggesting that we learn from the situation and think about possibly changing the way we approach a certain position. +1 this is what i was saying as well. glad ppl like u exist on this board
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 5, 2013 22:28:00 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. Those are the types of bigs we may need to target and close early. I think this is somewhat limited to bigs because there are so few bigs to go around and are much more prone to be subject to latcher ons/shady handlers. To be clear, I don't fault the staff for this. Instead I'm suggesting that we learn from the situation and think about possibly changing the way we approach a certain position. I'm not too upset about the staff not landing Elbert, I posted earlier in the thread that I didn't think his skill set was a fit. Same for Onuaku.. I'm not so sure about the "Chukwu" types either, why can't the staff go after kids who can hit a jumper from 15 feet? I think JT3 should recruit the type of bigs Beilein from Michigan goes after.. Here's Michigan's Verbal Commits page every write up on their PF/C' describes a player who can face the basket & score the ball. It's not by accident Michigan scores at a high clip year after year.. verbalcommits.com/schools/michiganCheck out 6-9 230 Ricky Doyle(2014) who gave Michigan a verbal in Dec' 2012.. He's a 3.3 star recruit btw & to me this clip is better than any I've seen from Elbert or Onuaku, he'd be perfect for the G'town system. This kid is skilled.. The staff seems to really like the defensive minded types to play the 5 spot but often times they're liabilities on the offensive end of the court.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 6, 2013 20:00:49 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. Those are the types of bigs we may need to target and close early. I think this is somewhat limited to bigs because there are so few bigs to go around and are much more prone to be subject to latcher ons/shady handlers. To be clear, I don't fault the staff for this. Instead I'm suggesting that we learn from the situation and think about possibly changing the way we approach a certain position. -1
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Post by hoopsmccan on Oct 6, 2013 20:33:30 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. Those are the types of bigs we may need to target and close early. I think this is somewhat limited to bigs because there are so few bigs to go around and are much more prone to be subject to latcher ons/shady handlers. To be clear, I don't fault the staff for this. Instead I'm suggesting that we learn from the situation and think about possibly changing the way we approach a certain position. -1 +1. Or 0, I'm not good at math.
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Post by royski on Oct 7, 2013 11:12:31 GMT -5
Does this basically wrap up 2014 for us?
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CaliHoya
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Post by CaliHoya on Oct 7, 2013 12:13:36 GMT -5
Unless it's for a top 15 recruit or a reclassified 2015 center, I think it does. We haven't gone the JUCO route in a long while, so doubt we do that. I guess the last possibility is a Josh Smith type mid-year transfer.
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Post by TC on Oct 7, 2013 13:39:41 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. +1000 Staff misprioritized big time by not going after Chukwu hard.
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Post by Filo on Oct 7, 2013 13:50:15 GMT -5
For beginners, I was and am fully supportive of how the staff recruited Elbert and other bigs this year and how they prioritized. However, I do think they need improvement on figuring out who mentally fits the program. They fall in love with skill sets over the mental/emotiional makeup of a recruit. It's hard not to, considering how rare it is for a big man to have the correct skills and instincts for our system, but the reality is that players like Hibbert and Monroe are rare not only because of their skills but also because of who they are as people and players. In hindsight, we may have been better served going after Pascal Chukwu. +1000 Staff misprioritized big time by not going after Chukwu hard. Monday-morning-recruiting. Or is it armchair recruiting?
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