CaliHoya
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Post by CaliHoya on Sept 23, 2013 11:12:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I've had enough of Elbert's circus. Until he decides to visit Georgetown, I'm tuning out all his visits to these football schools. If he visits DC again, then we can again think we're actually being considered.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 23, 2013 11:15:49 GMT -5
... or LSU realized he's a GU lean...
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Sept 23, 2013 14:58:22 GMT -5
move on imo
yes big is a big priority, but its not worth it with this ongoing circus. we will still have josh for 2014-2015, and if we find a talented 5 star level of a big to replace him from class of 2015, kinda like how Greg Monroe came in to fill in Roy's shoes, we will be totally fine. plus i don't even find him that impressive honestly ... this class is very thin on big men - i mean do you guys really think okafor would have been top 3 big men in the previous loaded classes? ER is skilled, i give him that, but he is poorly conditioned, and i don't see any indicators that point that he will work as hard as Roy either.
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 23, 2013 16:12:36 GMT -5
Why would you possibly "move on" from a top 75 player at a position of need you've been recruiting for over a year while you're still in the running? You guys are absurd.
By all means, recruit other guys too, but keep working.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 23, 2013 16:28:14 GMT -5
move on imo yes big is a big priority, but its not worth it with this ongoing circus. we will still have josh for 2014-2015, and if we find a talented 5 star level of a big to replace him from class of 2015, kinda like how Greg Monroe came in to fill in Roy's shoes, we will be totally fine. plus i don't even find him that impressive honestly ... this class is very thin on big men - i mean do you guys really think okafor would have been top 3 big men in the previous loaded classes? ER is skilled, i give him that, but he is poorly conditioned, and i don't see any indicators that point that he will work as hard as Roy either. There's no guarantee Josh will be here next year. If either a) the NCAA deems he used up an entire year of eligibility or b) he just decides to go pro. I actually think it's very unlikely we have Josh next year, because I think he'll attempt to go pro even if he only plays 1 semester for us. If we don't land a big in this class then we have Hopkins, possibly a 5th year of Moses, and Hayes to hold down the Center. At this point that doesn't inspire confidence. Now plenty of development could happen in that time, but bring in a center in this class is definitely something we should look into.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 23, 2013 16:45:57 GMT -5
Why would you possibly "move on" from a top 75 player at a position of need you've been recruiting for over a year while you're still in the running? You guys are absurd. By all means, recruit other guys too, but keep working. There's nothing more ridiculous than a group of fans wanting the staff to quit on a player simply because there's a bit of uncertainty in where they are going. It's incredibly odd to me that people get so frustrated with having to deal with updates once in a while and delay that they'd quit on a great option. Luckily, our staff is mature and doesn't make weird, emotional decisions like that. A truly good big is what will set this class apart. Bigs make a huge difference in college basketball, and we haven't been a complete team for years.
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Post by HoyaChris on Sept 23, 2013 17:01:57 GMT -5
SFHoya99 beat me to it, but the whining in this thread may set a record for all time HoyaTalk absurdity.
Here is a player who has a skill set we both need and have an unmatched history of further developing. He is interested in us and we are interested in him. He seems to be having fun with recruiting. I probably would too.
We have sewn up a very good class early. Elbert would be the piece de resistance. Why in the world would we stop recruiting him?
The worst thing that could happen is that he goes elsewhere. The world will not end if he does.
And I'm betting he is a future Hoya.
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Post by turbohoya on Sept 23, 2013 17:33:24 GMT -5
Moving on? What are people talking about!? We move on when recruiting him becomes a bad idea or gets in the way of recruiting another/better player... We don't give up in recruiting a kid just because we are butt hurt by him looking at other schools! What the hell are people whining about!?
Make a case that recruiting this kid is BAD for Georgetown then maybe we can talk about giving up months worth of work... "Not worth the circus" doesn't seem like it qualifies as an answer.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 23, 2013 18:05:02 GMT -5
Why would you possibly "move on" from a top 75 player at a position of need you've been recruiting for over a year while you're still in the running? You guys are absurd. By all means, recruit other guys too, but keep working. There's nothing more ridiculous than a group of fans wanting the staff to quit on a player simply because there's a bit of uncertainty in where they are going. It's incredibly odd to me that people get so frustrated with having to deal with updates once in a while and delay that they'd quit on a great option. Luckily, our staff is mature and doesn't make weird, emotional decisions like that. A truly good big is what will set this class apart. Bigs make a huge difference in college basketball, and we haven't been a complete team for years. insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/index/_/count/16The art of cutting bait One of the underrated aspects of recruiting is the evaluation of the situation. An astute college coach sees beyond what's right in front of him. We're at a spot in the calendar where time and resources are precious. A program starts hearing whispers about where a prospect is leaning or when he's going to decide, and decisions have to be made. Finishing second stinks, but finishing second while pandering to a kid you have zero chance to get while letting a secondary target go elsewhere is a sin assistants often make.
"One thing I know is when to get out," a prominent head coach said. "We can't waste time."
Cutting bait is a blow to a man's ego; an admission that what might have been years of work on a player didn't work at all. However, often it's what must be done. Too often green assistants will hang in there to the bitter end, sometimes on a mission to make an impression with their head coach or often because they haven't read the situation.
In this business, word on the street often times is the word out of the player's mouth. Reading situations is vital. It's mid-September, visits are under way and coaches are traversing the country reaching out to targets. The last thing a head coach wants to do is a home visit with a player he knows he's not getting. Time is too precious; there are other recruits. Once November comes around, you don't want to be the guy who wished he'd moved on. It can be debated whether or not this applies to Elbert but if you go back and read thru this thread the "tea leaves" do not appear to be pointing G'town's way lately.. NycHoya3 says "recruit other kids but keep working Elbert" My question is how do you do that when you have limited scholarships left? I realize there may be 2 spots left but is the staff willing to take 2 centers in this class? With the class G'town has put together it may be worth the gamble to wait on Elbert, I have to admit though I'd start looking at other options myself. There isn't anyone left who'll be as imposing as Elbert seems to be but there are kids left who fit JT3's system in many ways..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 18:26:11 GMT -5
There are no other options right now… That’s the thing...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 23, 2013 18:34:48 GMT -5
If the staff is really at a point where they are looking at so many '15 options, and are certain ER isn't coming, then, yeah, sure.
But that wasn't the comment to which we responded. The poster was tired of the "circus" -- which really isn't that circus-like. And we certainly shouldn't be sure of our evaluation of the tea leaves from this far outside the process. We shouldn't drop a recruit because of an emotional response.
Even if he's really leaning away, I'd stick with him. The other '14 options are limited and his upside is huge -- so yeah, there's a place where '15 becomes the priority but I see little to think the staff is making an obvious mistake.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 23, 2013 20:25:36 GMT -5
What circus? The high school senior is going through a once-in-a-lifetime process. The tea leaves point to another candidate (LSU) dropping off.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 23, 2013 21:19:31 GMT -5
Do we have any idea when Elbert will make a decision?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Sept 23, 2013 22:50:38 GMT -5
I can understand the frustration of the fans. Unfortunately, the decision rests with the young man and his family. Let's just hope he has the sense to realize that Georgetown is his best option. We just need to brace ourselves for whichever way the ball bounces. There is nothing anybody can do.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 24, 2013 0:13:27 GMT -5
If the staff is really at a point where they are looking at so many '15 options, and are certain ER isn't coming, then, yeah, sure. But that wasn't the comment to which we responded. The poster was tired of the "circus" -- which really isn't that circus-like. And we certainly shouldn't be sure of our evaluation of the tea leaves from this far outside the process. We shouldn't drop a recruit because of an emotional response. Even if he's really leaning away, I'd stick with him. The other '14 options are limited and his upside is huge -- so yeah, there's a place where '15 becomes the priority but I see little to think the staff is making an obvious mistake. I agree that using the word "circus" is a bit too strong however imho Elbert's recruitment hasn't been handled very well by his advisors... I get that the recruiting process can be very fluid.. We saw that with Paul White, one week he's opening his recruitment and the next he's committing to G'town.. ER's recruitment just seems to be all over the place.. it's late September and he tweets he want to set a final list but his "Pops" advises him to wait.. Why? He's talked for months about taking an official to G'town but can't seem to set a date with the staff.. However he can take an unofficial and then an official to LSU within about a month's time.. Seems strange to me. If the staff wanted a center in this class and ER goes elsewhere then they did make a mistake by putting all their eggs in one basket..
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Post by daymondmyles on Sept 24, 2013 8:31:33 GMT -5
From Rivals, he wants to make a decision in April and "I've been on officials to Georgia Tech, Nebraska, and LSU so far. This weekend I'm going to Ohio State. I'm still not sure where I'm going to go for the last one yet."
Wow. No Gtown on there. I'm beginning to wonder whether JT3 has cooled on him because it wouldn't make much sense to me that he wouldn't even visit.
On the putting all their eggs in one basket, I don't think that's fair. We were on Okafor and Towns early and they dropped us. We tried to get in on Turner but he dropped us. And nobody else is really worth it. Not sure why we are having such trouble convincing big men to come here when it's easily the best program for developing NBA bigs. Except I think we've unfortunately had a lot of bigs with messed up priorities (see Upshaw, Christmas, etc.) Personally I think bigs are most prone to be involved with handlers because they are so rare and an easy path to $$.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 24, 2013 8:39:21 GMT -5
I can understand the frustration of the fans. Unfortunately, the decision rests with the young man and his family. Let's just hope he has the sense to realize that Georgetown is his best option. We just need to brace ourselves for whichever way the ball bounces. There is nothing anybody can do. It's "unfortunate" that the decision rests with ER and his family? If he chooses another program, he doesn't have sense? Are you sure that's what you wanted to post?
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Post by cheer48 on Sept 24, 2013 9:00:45 GMT -5
why not just let this guy have his moment in the sun....isn`t this what athletic game is all about ? Cheer 48
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Post by tullamore2 on Sept 24, 2013 9:12:21 GMT -5
From Rivals, he wants to make a decision in April and "I've been on officials to Georgia Tech, Nebraska, and LSU so far. This weekend I'm going to Ohio State. I'm still not sure where I'm going to go for the last one yet." Wow. No Gtown on there. I'm beginning to wonder whether JT3 has cooled on him because it wouldn't make much sense to me that he wouldn't even visit. On the putting all their eggs in one basket, I don't think that's fair. We were on Okafor and Towns early and they dropped us. We tried to get in on Turner but he dropped us. And nobody else is really worth it. Not sure why we are having such trouble convincing big men to come here when it's easily the best program for developing NBA bigs. Except I think we've unfortunately had a lot of bigs with messed up priorities (see Upshaw, Christmas, etc.) Personally I think bigs are most prone to be involved with handlers because they are so rare and an easy path to $$. He has already visited Georgetown. He was at the Syracuse game last season. twicsy.com/i/QVUHpd
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Post by prhoya on Sept 24, 2013 9:15:12 GMT -5
From Rivals, he wants to make a decision in April and "I've been on officials to Georgia Tech, Nebraska, and LSU so far. This weekend I'm going to Ohio State. I'm still not sure where I'm going to go for the last one yet." Wisconsin @ OSU... nice game!! Yes, it would suck for us to have to wait til April. But, if he wants to start from Day 1, I'm not sure he gets that at GU if Josh is still around. By April, Smith's situation and the '14-'15 roster will be clear. TTS.
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