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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 16, 2013 22:23:16 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with the retrospective. Rafferty was going off on the role of money in the whole process, there was a moment when I was wondering if his ESPN bosses would get mad at him. Basically by celebrating the BET as it has been - I think it was McDonough who called it the best college basketball conference tournament of the last 35 years - that at least sets the table for the BET of 2014. The amount of love the conference has gotten from SI, ESPN, and all the local papers in the big cities where the current BE has teams at least celebrates a college basketball driven conference - that has been the focus - and it sets the table for what the BET will remain. The brand name Big East remains. It's all good.
Here's to hoping that next year's BE can have 5-6 NCAA caliber teams, a player of the year candidate, and at least one if not two top ten teams.
Glad Syracuse didn't get to say they closed the Big East. Every one of their fans that I know hate the fact they are leaving the Big East. And by the looks of the antiseptic ACC tournament in Greensboro, they are really, really going to hate that conference tournament. What a fiasco for the Syracuse school culture. I met multiple fans on the train ride home last night who had stayed in NYC just to go the bars near the Garden and watch the game - they couldn't get seats. What a mess.
Glad they lost. The Big East is dead, long live the new Big East. And go Blue Jays and Go Bulldogs. At least until I see how obnoxious their fans are . . . . . ..
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2013 22:38:41 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with the retrospective. Rafferty was going off on the role of money in the whole process, there was a moment when I was wondering if his ESPN bosses would get mad at him. Basically by celebrating the BET as it has been - I think it was McDonough who called it the best college basketball conference tournament of the last 35 years - that at least sets the table for the BET of 2014. The amount of love the conference has gotten from SI, ESPN, and all the local papers in the big cities where the current BE has teams at least celebrates a college basketball driven conference - that has been the focus - and it sets the table for what the BET will remain. The brand name Big East remains. It's all good. Here's to hoping that next year's BE can have 5-6 NCAA caliber teams, a player of the year candidate, and at least one if not two top ten teams. Glad Syracuse didn't get to say they closed the Big East. Every one of their fans that I know hate the fact they are leaving the Big East. And by the looks of the antiseptic ACC tournament in Greensboro, they are really, really going to hate that conference tournament. What a fiasco for the Syracuse school culture. I met multiple fans on the train ride home last night who had stayed in NYC just to go the bars near the Garden and watch the game - they couldn't get seats. What a mess. Glad they lost. The Big East is dead, long live the new Big East. And go Blue Jays and Go Bulldogs. At least until I see how obnoxious their fans are . . . . . .. Well said.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 16, 2013 22:41:43 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with the retrospective. Rafferty was going off on the role of money in the whole process, there was a moment when I was wondering if his ESPN bosses would get mad at him. Basically by celebrating the BET as it has been - I think it was McDonough who called it the best college basketball conference tournament of the last 35 years - that at least sets the table for the BET of 2014. The amount of love the conference has gotten from SI, ESPN, and all the local papers in the big cities where the current BE has teams at least celebrates a college basketball driven conference - that has been the focus - and it sets the table for what the BET will remain. The brand name Big East remains. It's all good. Here's to hoping that next year's BE can have 5-6 NCAA caliber teams, a player of the year candidate, and at least one if not two top ten teams. Glad Syracuse didn't get to say they closed the Big East. Every one of their fans that I know hate the fact they are leaving the Big East. And by the looks of the antiseptic ACC tournament in Greensboro, they are really, really going to hate that conference tournament. What a fiasco for the Syracuse school culture. I met multiple fans on the train ride home last night who had stayed in NYC just to go the bars near the Garden and watch the game - they couldn't get seats. What a mess. Glad they lost. The Big East is dead, long live the new Big East. And go Blue Jays and Go Bulldogs. At least until I see how obnoxious their fans are . . . . . .. All the message board Pitt/Syracuse fans seem to be a bit deluded in their expectations for the ACC. Not the quality of the conference, obviously it will be great, but they think it's going to be the Big East part 2 for them basketball wise. There maybe more Big East members in that conference now than charter ACC memebers, but it's still all about football and Carolina. They aren't moving their conference tournament up north to give Syracuse a homecourt advantage. They aren't going to adjust the officiating to make game competitive/rough like the Big East has. Syracuse/Pitt/Louisiville/Notre Dame aren't going to be highlighted in the ACC by ESPN the way they were in the Big East because Duke and North Carolina are always going to be talked about first, no matter who is better. The ACC is going to be the best conference in the country for a couple of years(though imo still not as strong as the Big East of the last 5 or 6 years). The problem they are going to face(assuming it doesn't implode of course) is retiring HOF coaches, and their getting good young coaches. The Big East was so good as a superconference because of the parity in coaching. There were lots of young talented coaches and a few older HOF type coaches, which led to a ton of depth and parity. Plus it covered basically every major recruiting area. I also think the ACC will soon find itself in an identity crisis. Watching games its clear the Big East is clearly more physical and allowed to be that way. The ACC is now importing some of the most physical teams. Is Pitt still going to be able to play Jamie Dixon/Howland defense? Is Louisville still going to be able to hang on players up and down the court? Are they actually going to make UNC play defense? Something has got to give and it will be interesting to see it play out over the next few years.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Mar 16, 2013 23:02:20 GMT -5
Its been a fun 33 years guys
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 16, 2013 23:04:13 GMT -5
Well that was satisfying. Syracuse's 2-3 zone was destroyed by a backup averaging 5 pts a game. There momentum and confidence just took a nosedive off a cliff.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2013 23:07:58 GMT -5
I said before the biggest adjustment for schools like Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is that they will no longer be able to feed on a group of small schools with limited budgets. They will be travelling long on the road to play at exclusively oncampus arenas against programs with just as big followings. Because of longer distances their fans won't be able to travel in such large numbers with the teams and they won't be filling up 25% of an opponent's arena. As for Syracuse in particular it will no longer play in a conference tournament in which it is treated as the unofficial home team. Good times.
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 16, 2013 23:49:13 GMT -5
At the same time, I do think that if 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt and ND can adjust to their new conference, then the ACC will become the best college basketball conference hands down. Yes, it will be Duke and UNC first . . . but then three of those four as additional elite schools and ND as a program that is just as competitive as Maryland, UVa, NC State etc. And when the former BE schools start winning conference and conference tourney titles (which should be easy enough assuming they make the adjustment, because there's no real competition outside of Duke and UNC on a regular basis, they'll transform a traditionally two-team elite league into one with four to five elite teams.
I don't think that GU-Marquette-Butler-Xavier-Villanova is that far behind, but none of those teams have the star power of the ACC's top five. That's why I've always liked the idea of the Zags in the new Big East . . . I think they help elevate just a little more at the top. I'm just not sure it is worth all the drawbacks.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 17, 2013 0:21:32 GMT -5
At the same time, I do think that if 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt and ND can adjust to their new conference, then the ACC will become the best college basketball conference hands down. Yes, it will be Duke and UNC first . . . but then three of those four as additional elite schools and ND as a program that is just as competitive as Maryland, UVa, NC State etc. And when the former BE schools start winning conference and conference tourney titles (which should be easy enough assuming they make the adjustment, because there's no real competition outside of Duke and UNC on a regular basis, they'll transform a traditionally two-team elite league into one with four to five elite teams. I don't think that GU-Marquette-Butler-Xavier-Villanova is that far behind, but none of those teams have the star power of the ACC's top five. That's why I've always liked the idea of the Zags in the new Big East . . . I think they help elevate just a little more at the top. I'm just not sure it is worth all the drawbacks. Maryland left for the Big 10 already. I would include Miami as long as Larranaga's there but the ACC is all going to implode once UNC and Virgina Tech leave for the SEC and the Big 10 and Big 12 carve out the remaining strong football schools (NCState, FSU, Miami). Then Dook will leave for the new basketball only Big East and the ACC will be an inferior baseketball and football league. It is inevitable.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 17, 2013 5:24:14 GMT -5
Nice to see the Orange clad cretins crying in their beers last night. Mads only sweeter by the epic collapse in the second half. Tired legs and no balls will get you every time.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 17, 2013 5:56:08 GMT -5
Hope Syracuse goes the way of BC after Boeheim retires. Basketball falls off the cliff and the football team continues to SUck
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 17, 2013 8:22:09 GMT -5
Hope Syracuse goes the way of BC after Boeheim retires. Basketball falls off the cliff and the football team continues to SUck They will continue to pour $$$ into the program for the next few years to try to stay top shelf, especially once Magoo retires in 1-2 years, and the ACC splinters. But in 5-6 years SU will be a middling program.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 17, 2013 8:37:19 GMT -5
For all the talk of how the BE will never be the same without UConn, Cuse, etc., UConn was nowhere to be seen this week and it had no impact on the electricity or the attendance.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 17, 2013 11:15:24 GMT -5
For all the talk of how the BE will never be the same without UConn, Cuse, etc., UConn was nowhere to be seen this week and it had no impact on the electricity or the attendance. Great point and 100% accurate.
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Post by guru on Mar 17, 2013 11:41:07 GMT -5
For all the talk of how the BE will never be the same without UConn, Cuse, etc., UConn was nowhere to be seen this week and it had no impact on the electricity or the attendance. Great point and 100% accurate. True, but it was 70-75% Syracuse fans. And that's not an exaggeration.
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 17, 2013 15:23:40 GMT -5
Jabril's tweet:
@jt55ive: Congrats to Louisville on winning the Big East Tournament & Congrats to Syracuse on leaving the Big East this year empty handed...
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Post by sleepy on Mar 17, 2013 15:26:14 GMT -5
Great point and 100% accurate. True, but it was 70-75% Syracuse fans. And that's not an exaggeration. I hope that fact didn't go unnoticed down on Tobacco Road.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 17, 2013 15:39:19 GMT -5
The ACC needs these teams. Their outright regular-season and tournament champion isn't even going to get a one seed this year. A clear act of charity from the Catholic 7.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 18, 2013 11:23:42 GMT -5
I said before the biggest adjustment for schools like Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is that they will no longer be able to feed on a group of small schools with limited budgets. They will be travelling long on the road to play at exclusively oncampus arenas against programs with just as big followings. Because of longer distances their fans won't be able to travel in such large numbers with the teams and they won't be filling up 25% of an opponent's arena. As for Syracuse in particular it will no longer play in a conference tournament in which it is treated as the unofficial home team. Good times. I don't think this geography argument holds true for Louisville. Kentucky's a border state. I'm not totally up on my geography, but my guess is that their trip to the Carolinas won't be any farther than trips to Philly, NJ or NY, and that they'll be bringing plenty of fans with them.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 18, 2013 11:29:18 GMT -5
I said before the biggest adjustment for schools like Cuse, Pitt and Louisville is that they will no longer be able to feed on a group of small schools with limited budgets. They will be travelling long on the road to play at exclusively oncampus arenas against programs with just as big followings. Because of longer distances their fans won't be able to travel in such large numbers with the teams and they won't be filling up 25% of an opponent's arena. As for Syracuse in particular it will no longer play in a conference tournament in which it is treated as the unofficial home team. Good times. I don't think this geography argument holds true for Louisville. Kentucky's a border state. I'm not totally up on my geography, but my guess is that their trip to the Carolinas won't be any farther than trips to Philly, NJ or NY, and that they'll be bringing plenty of fans with them. Louisville is closer to North Carolina than it is to Philadelphia, Washington, DC, New York City or Connecticut. I'm not sure where Louisville alumni end up, but I wouldn't be shocked if they have more in NC and Atlanta than they do in Philly or New England. The point about trading pro arenas (Wells Fargo, MSG, Verizon) for on campus arenas is a good one though.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 18, 2013 11:34:11 GMT -5
Louisville travels well everywhere. I went to an old Metro Conference tournament hosted by Southern Miss in the 80s and 3/4 of the crowd were from Louisville.
I think the new ACC is going to be disappointing for everyone. Duke and UNC are not going to like playing at Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Notre Dame, the former Big East teams will not like the treatment they get in North Carolina, and the also-rans in the ACC will just be pushed that much further into obscurity.
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