hoya01
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Post by hoya01 on Oct 11, 2012 13:23:56 GMT -5
FWIW, I was told the University is currently in several conversations regarding trying to get a naming gift for the IAC. I was also told Mr. Leonsis gave a generous gift to fund athletic scholarships and that many of the older alums are skeptical about giving money towards the IAC because of the previous history of delays, including an alum who gave $1m for plans to be developed for the McDonough renovation a number of years ago, only for nothing to happen. The thinking is that this group of alums will begin giving once a shovel is in the ground.
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kchoya
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Post by kchoya on Oct 11, 2012 13:27:54 GMT -5
Wait, wait, WAIT! Everyone is burying the lede. Fr. O'Donovan staged a coup and took back the 2nd floor of Healy from DeGioia?
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Oct 11, 2012 13:42:58 GMT -5
I don't think one game against Kansas three seasons from now, probably during Christmas break, addresses the home OOC issue. I'd rather have 3-4 games each year against RPI 100 teams than 1 game against a top 20 team. Would also make more sense financially to do it that way for the program. Your original post was basically that JTIII says he undertands that fans want marquee games at home but our home schedule is pathetic. So he schedules a home-and-home with Kansas, which seems to me to be an attempt to bring in a marquee home game. Yet you find it is complaint-worthy. That makes sense. And, no, I am not saying that scheduling one home-and-home with Kansas is sufficient. But I think it's a step in the right direction. Instead, let's get JTIII a crystal ball so he can go ahead and predict right now who will be in the top 100 RPI-wise in 3 to 4 years. He can go ahead and schedule them right now for games in a few years. And, of course, those teams won't demand home-and-homes -- they will just be happy to play GU at GU all the time. You must hate your life. I simply wrote that one game against Kansas doesn't address the issue - same as you when you wrote it only partially addresses the issue, but it seems that JTIII thinks one marquee game a year is enough since that's all he's done recently. But if you think anything I wrote is wrong, I will be happy to sell you all of my OOC tickets every year going forward for their pro rata price under my season ticket package. This year, you can pay me $135 each (my face value) for Duquesne, Liberty, Mt. St. Mary's, Tennessee, Towson, Longwood, Western Carolina and American. That will be $1080 for that package please. The point is that the Big East home schedule will be worse going forward since the Big East will be worse - if he doesn't compensate for that with better OOC home schedules, season ticket holders will stop buying.
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ephoya04
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Post by ephoya04 on Oct 11, 2012 16:05:41 GMT -5
Had lunch today with someone from the development office. The reason the IAC fundraising is behind the broader campaign frmo a % raised perspective is that the broader $1.5B campaign has been underway since 2006, whereas the IAC just got full zoning approval this year. They did not want to start pushing the fund raising for the IAC without full zoning approval and run the risk that money would come in only to have the project rejected.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 11, 2012 18:54:21 GMT -5
If every complaint in threads like this was worth $20 the whole thing would be fully funded and then some by now. ;D
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Oct 11, 2012 19:21:20 GMT -5
Top teams only want to play other top teams on at home or on neutral sites. This has become even more true over the past two seasons. Hell, Calipari came right out and said as much about his team.
Here is Kentucky's home OOC schedule:
Northwood (Fla.) Transylvania Lafayette Morehead State Long Island University Baylor Samford Portland Lipscomb Marshall Eastern Michigan
I dont show this to say "see ours is good", but to point out it is difficult for all teams. Its not like you just chose who you play. They have to have an opening in their schedule too and it has to make sense. OOC schedules are about developing your team for the conference season.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 12, 2012 3:51:56 GMT -5
Top teams only want to play other top teams on at home or on neutral sites. This has become even more true over the past two seasons. Hell, Calipari came right out and said as much about his team. Here is Kentucky's home OOC schedule: Northwood (Fla.) Transylvania Lafayette Morehead State Long Island University Baylor Samford Portland Lipscomb Marshall Eastern Michigan I dont show this to say "see ours is good", but to point out it is difficult for all teams. Its not like you just chose who you play. They have to have an opening in their schedule too and it has to make sense. OOC schedules are about developing your team for the conference season. What are you talking about? It is blatantly obvious that JT III would be throwing us a tiny bone with the Kansas possibility. Clearly he can do better than that. It makes the smarter fans in our midst wonder what he's thinkin'. With the conference schedule so much weaker, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we can easily adopt a stronger OOC home slate. Duh!
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Oct 12, 2012 7:50:27 GMT -5
LOL. I gave up.
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Ro
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Post by Ro on Oct 12, 2012 9:56:23 GMT -5
I guess I've always viewed buying season tickets as a way to support my team and university as opposed to expecting to see games every year vs the top schools in the nation. You want to be guaranteed top-notch entertainment? Go look for it. You want to support your university and put Georgetown fans in the seats at Georgetown games? Buy season tickets. If you don't, then don't complain about small crowds or opposing fans at games. Lead by example as opposed to threatening to go on ticket strike. You don't like spending over $1k on OCC games? Then buy only the "good games" on stubhub and either save your money or donate it to the program. Then you can see the games you want and help move the IAC needle. There, kill 2 complaints with one stone. DanMcQ couldn't be any more on point regarding the amount of incessant complaining done here.
Per previous comments of "let's just raise 65mm and build it/why is it a part of $125mm campaign" and "over 60% of $1.1B has been raised/our alums suck"...
I'm no university insider, but if you go out with a plan to raise only 65mm for one project that benefits one (albeit the most popular one on campus) program you will only get that 65mm. The best interests of the entire athletic program are likely being taken into consideration here, and therefore a larger targeted fundraising amount to benefit more. The university can lever the popularity and needs of the basketball program to help benefit all other programs.
If over 60% of $1.1b has been raised, then we are talking about alums already giving over $700mm in donations to the university. Yeah, our alums are just horrible. $700mm sucks. Can you be disappointed that more alums haven't allocated their donations to athletic funding and/or the IAC? Sure. But you can't fault them or say that as a community the donors are horrible. Last I checked there are a few more things happening on campus and throughout the school year aside from basketball. Based upon the percentage of desired donations allocated to athletics (125mm of 1.5B) it should be fairly easy to see that there are other pressing needs the university is trying to address. The fact that the 125mm is being publicly identified and included by the university is a huge step forward. As other projects/identified areas are fully funded, the university can then steer donors towards underfunded objectives. That funneling along with organic athletic donors should lead to a successful capital campaign.
It's also pretty easy to spend other people's money on projects you are in favor of. Rather than complaining about or calling out successful, wealthy alums why not thank them for what they have done in the past and encourage them to keep their on-campus legacies growing? "Please" and "thank you" probably work better than "you suck" when approaching new and repeat donors.
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Post by wahoya on Oct 12, 2012 12:28:28 GMT -5
I guess I've always viewed buying season tickets as a way to support my team and university as opposed to expecting to see games every year vs the top schools in the nation. You want to be guaranteed top-notch entertainment? Go look for it. You want to support your university and put Georgetown fans in the seats at Georgetown games? Buy season tickets. If you don't, then don't complain about small crowds or opposing fans at games. Lead by example as opposed to threatening to go on ticket strike. You don't like spending over $1k on OCC games? Then buy only the "good games" on stubhub and either save your money or donate it to the program. Then you can see the games you want and help move the IAC needle. There, kill 2 complaints with one stone. DanMcQ couldn't be any more on point regarding the amount of incessant complaining done here. Per previous comments of "let's just raise 65mm and build it/why is it a part of $125mm campaign" and "over 60% of $1.1B has been raised/our alums suck"... I'm no university insider, but if you go out with a plan to raise only 65mm for one project that benefits one (albeit the most popular one on campus) program you will only get that 65mm. The best interests of the entire athletic program are likely being taken into consideration here, and therefore a larger targeted fundraising amount to benefit more. The university can lever the popularity and needs of the basketball program to help benefit all other programs. If over 60% of $1.1b has been raised, then we are talking about alums already giving over $700mm in donations to the university. Yeah, our alums are just horrible. $700mm sucks. Can you be disappointed that more alums haven't allocated their donations to athletic funding and/or the IAC? Sure. But you can't fault them or say that as a community the donors are horrible. Last I checked there are a few more things happening on campus and throughout the school year aside from basketball. Based upon the percentage of desired donations allocated to athletics (125mm of 1.5B) it should be fairly easy to see that there are other pressing needs the university is trying to address. The fact that the 125mm is being publicly identified and included by the university is a huge step forward. As other projects/identified areas are fully funded, the university can then steer donors towards underfunded objectives. That funneling along with organic athletic donors should lead to a successful capital campaign. It's also pretty easy to spend other people's money on projects you are in favor of. Rather than complaining about or calling out successful, wealthy alums why not thank them for what they have done in the past and encourage them to keep their on-campus legacies growing? "Please" and "thank you" probably work better than "you suck" when approaching new and repeat donors. Agreed. As of June 30, 2012, the Campaign has raised $919mm of the $1.5B goal.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 12, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
Well said, Ro.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Oct 13, 2012 0:16:09 GMT -5
Agreed. As of June 30, 2012, the Campaign has raised $919mm of the $1.5B goal. Woah really? Thats a s*** ton. Is this all going to the endowment?
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 13, 2012 0:27:37 GMT -5
Agreed. As of June 30, 2012, the Campaign has raised $919mm of the $1.5B goal. Woah really? Thats a s*** ton. Is this all going to the endowment? No. Campaigns count all money raised over the span of the effort, including annual giving, capital projects, and endowment. More information here: campaign.georgetown.edu
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Oct 13, 2012 0:33:20 GMT -5
Woah really? Thats a s*** ton. Is this all going to the endowment? No. Campaigns count all money raised over the span of the effort, including annual giving, capital projects, and endowment. More information here: campaign.georgetown.eduAhh, okay, thanks DFW, that site is very informative.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 15, 2012 18:28:09 GMT -5
great summary on coaches wall street alliance talk but very sad about the tyler has not been cleared to play div one sports. OUCH that hurts feel bad for us but even more badder for tyler good kid HOPE HE GETS TO SUIT UP AND PLAY at some point. OUCH.
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