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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 13, 2012 10:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Aug 13, 2012 12:13:31 GMT -5
UNC has so many media "fanboys" their pathetic violations of NCAA rules has been ignored. One person involved in the investigation of the program was stunned by the lack of penalty and even said "What was going on here was far worse then what we put SMU on Death Penalty for".
So since then-this crap comes out about the fake African American Studies program that football/basketball athletes were involved with, and not a word. Wonder why? What they did was worse then any program has done (excluding PSU)--having an assistant direct players to agents without even trying to hide it, having the head coach's nanny do homework/write papers for players, and now we find this out.
If people want to fire shots at the usual suspects--it's time for UNC to eat it. And I tire of the attitude that UNC is "family" with Georgetown. I hate them as much as I hate Duke, Syracuse, etc....and they are a bunch of a elitist d-bags who feel entitled to winning and act like team that beat them was lucky. Huckleberry Hound needs to be given something to cry about.
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Post by skyhoya on Aug 13, 2012 15:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Aug 13, 2012 15:44:53 GMT -5
I don't know why they needed to create a fake department with fake classes.
I thought that's what Sociology was for.
Also, to RDF: who said UNC was family? I haven't seen that on Hoyatalk before. Maybe most people don't hate them quite as much as Duke or Syracuse, but I don't think there's any real fondness around here.
There might be a slight affinity in that we've played a couple of really memorable and classic games against each other, but that's about it.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 13, 2012 15:54:05 GMT -5
I'd assume the UNC "family" connection is Nike's Jordan brand.
Does anyone actually think NC will be investigated/found guilty by the NCAA?
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Post by kchoya on Aug 13, 2012 16:37:02 GMT -5
I'd assume the UNC "family" connection is Nike's Jordan brand. Does anyone actually think NC will be investigated/found guilty by the NCAA? No. JT2 and Dean go way back. |
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Post by TC on Aug 14, 2012 9:41:21 GMT -5
What happened at UNC is brazen cheating. What happened at Penn State was institutional evil. It's a joke that an author would compare the two, and act like what happened at UNC is worse, but what is worse is that the Penn State sycophants like yourself lap this stuff up and think you have any business pointing fingers elsewhere. |
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Post by jgalt on Aug 14, 2012 10:17:31 GMT -5
What happened at UNC is brazen cheating. What happened at Penn State was institutional evil. It's a joke that an author would compare the two, and act like what happened at UNC is worse, but what is worse is that the Penn State sycophants like yourself lap this stuff up and think you have any business pointing fingers elsewhere. Not sure why its a "joke" that the two would be compared. With the Penn State punishments the NCAA showed they are not afraid to go off standard practice (meaning no longer cow-towing to and protecting univ. presidents) when the situation required. If they are willing to do that, then they should at least be willing to enforce the rules they were created to enforce. Relative to PSU, this is a rather unimportant issue, I suppose. But its still a violation of NCAA rules and pretty disgusting. Just because its not molestation doesnt make it wrong. To me, the author of that article was just saying that the NCAA should be consistent in the way it enforces its rules. Especially when the whole world isnt watching. Is the NCAA going to care as much about UNC if the whole country isnt watching? |
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Post by jgalt on Aug 14, 2012 10:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Aug 14, 2012 11:23:51 GMT -5
But its still a violation of NCAA rules and pretty disgusting. Just because its not molestation doesnt make it wrong. I think I led off my post with the statement that it was "brazen cheating". What annoys me is the attitude from PSU fans (and that article - which I think expresses the attitude) that since the NCAA came down on them, they need to come down on UNC now hard too. The NCAA should come down on UNC, but hearing it from PSU fans is like hearing a third grade tattletale who constantly misbehaves rattling on and on about other people's faults five minutes after he's been caught. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 14, 2012 12:52:13 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 14, 2012 13:31:37 GMT -5
But its still a violation of NCAA rules and pretty disgusting. Just because its not molestation doesnt make it wrong. I think I led off my post with the statement that it was "brazen cheating". What annoys me is the attitude from PSU fans (and that article - which I think expresses the attitude) that since the NCAA came down on them, they need to come down on UNC now hard too. The NCAA should come down on UNC, but hearing it from PSU fans is like hearing a third grade tattletale who constantly misbehaves rattling on and on about other people's faults five minutes after he's been caught. Well, yes, but for those of us who merely hate the hypocrisy that is the NCAA, this type of thing is further proof that the NCAA makes its choices 100% as a profit motive. They came down on PSU not because what Jerry Sandusky did was horribly wrong. Notice they are not leading the charge to make mass reforms to prevent it in other places. They came down on PSU because of the PR. It's not that PSU didn't deserve it; it's that Mark Emmert and the rest of the NCAA are a bunch of friggin hypocrites and incompetents. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 14, 2012 14:46:45 GMT -5
Well, yes, but for those of us who merely hate the hypocrisy that is the NCAA, this type of thing is further proof that the NCAA makes its choices 100% as a profit motive. They came down on PSU not because what Jerry Sandusky did was horribly wrong. Notice they are not leading the charge to make mass reforms to prevent it in other places. They came down on PSU because of the PR. It's not that PSU didn't deserve it; it's that Mark Emmert and the rest of the NCAA are a bunch of friggin hypocrites and incompetents. In... well, not fairness, but at least comprehension... the moment the NCAA stops making all of its decisions based on the profit motive is the moment when the BCS heavyweights get together and begin concerted efforts toward leaving the NCAA. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 14, 2012 15:22:10 GMT -5
They came down on PSU not because what Jerry Sandusky did was horribly wrong. Notice they are not leading the charge to make mass reforms to prevent it in other places. They came down on PSU because of the PR. Hey, now, keep me out of it. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 14, 2012 15:39:53 GMT -5
Well said SFHoya. Penn State was an easy case because it allowed Emmert to be tough without any wider ripple effects in the cesspool that is college athletics. The Penn State fact pattern is unique. Going after UNC for their fake classes? I think quite a few schools would lose sleep over that.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 15, 2012 7:54:21 GMT -5
^^^I, too, wonder how widespread is this type of academic fraud.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 15, 2012 12:25:21 GMT -5
At what point does it stop being academic fraud and just becomes being a pathetically sorry academic institution? The only time the contrast is really obvious is when it takes place at a school that's otherwise fairly well regarded, like UNC (one of the top ~5 public universities in the country, according to USNews). Are only the better schools capable of committing academic fraud? If this were Kentucky or Kansas State (amongst 50 others), this wouldn't even be a discussion.
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 15, 2012 12:51:02 GMT -5
Kansas State may not be a good school, but they still have professors who teach classes, assign coursework, and give out grades. The basic model of education is pretty well established. I don't think it's hard to look at what happened at UNC and distinguish it from just poor instruction. If the class doesn't actually meet or require any work and students are just given a B, that's fraud.
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Post by skyhoya on Aug 18, 2012 8:02:23 GMT -5
Id it is true, they need to just shut them down id FB and BB, give trhem the death penalty and move on. Any players that we would like to transfer in next year?
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Post by kchoya on Aug 18, 2012 10:14:31 GMT -5
Id it is true, they need to just shut them down id FB and BB, give trhem the death penalty and move on. Any players that we would like to transfer in next year? Your push to give UNC the death penalty would ring a little less hollow if you hadn't defended PSU and Paterno the way you did. UNC getting the death penalty is as likely as Franco Harris becoming the AD in Happy Valley and Urban Meyer coaching the football team. |
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