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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 9:35:18 GMT -5
Well, this makes Romney's job a bit easier for the next four months. I don't know TAX what you're talking TAX about. The message TAX coming from the TAX Romney camp probably TAX won't change that much. TAX. |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 9:41:28 GMT -5
How many heads roll at CNN? Little known fact: the CNN breaking news editor started working in journalism as the front page editor of the Chicago Tribune in 1948. |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 9:42:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 28, 2012 9:47:03 GMT -5
At a client's office. What happened at CNN?
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Post by Buckets on Jun 28, 2012 9:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 28, 2012 9:50:54 GMT -5
Hopefully we can now have the discussion we should have been having all along in this election cycle: whether the law will actually reduce the nation's spending on healthcare, not whether the law is unconstitutional/un-American/socialist.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 9:53:00 GMT -5
whether the law will actually reduce the nation's spending on healthcare No, it won't. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 28, 2012 9:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 9:56:54 GMT -5
Hopefully we can now have the discussion we should have been having all along in this election cycle: whether the law will actually reduce the nation's spending on healthcare, not whether the law is unconstitutional/un-American/socialist. I don't think anyone will be talking about the constitutionality of the Act. After all, as the Executive Director of the DNC so eloquently tweeted moments ago: "it's constitutional. Bitches." |
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Post by TC on Jun 28, 2012 9:59:13 GMT -5
I don't know TAX what you're talking TAX about. The message TAX coming from the TAX Romney camp probably TAX won't change that much. TAX. So Romney raised taxes on everyone in MA? Republicans nominated the one guy who can't effectively argue against the mandate. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 28, 2012 10:00:57 GMT -5
whether the law will actually reduce the nation's spending on healthcare No, it won't. Agree and hope the legislature amends or repeals the law. |
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Post by TC on Jun 28, 2012 10:04:58 GMT -5
Little known fact: the CNN breaking news editor started working in journalism as the front page editor of the Chicago Tribune in 1948. I honestly think this is worse than that - they weren't working in an absence of data. |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 10:10:30 GMT -5
I don't know TAX what you're talking TAX about. The message TAX coming from the TAX Romney camp probably TAX won't change that much. TAX. So Romney raised taxes on everyone in MA? Republicans nominated the one guy who can't effectively argue against the mandate. You're assuming the voting public will analyze it that way. |
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Post by quickplay on Jun 28, 2012 10:20:47 GMT -5
So Romney raised taxes on everyone in MA? Republicans nominated the one guy who can't effectively argue against the mandate. You're assuming the voting public will analyze it that way. His only argument so far has been "it's different because it's state vs. federal." He's going to have to do better than that. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 28, 2012 10:23:12 GMT -5
I'm not going to spend time finding it but I predicted on this board just what happened: that it would be upheld because it's just another tax.
Now, as for Chief Justice Roberts: I can't think of any words to describe my disdain for you.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 28, 2012 10:28:33 GMT -5
You're assuming the voting public will analyze it that way. His only argument so far has been "it's different because it's state vs. federal." He's going to have to do better than that. I hate the guy, but it IS different because its state vs federal. People can moves states. They cant reasonably be expected to move countries |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 28, 2012 10:29:30 GMT -5
Now, as for Chief Justice Roberts: I can't think of any words to describe my disdain for you. Oh great, here we go. What is about to happen to Chief Justice Roberts on the Internet, talk radio, and cable news is going to be very ugly. My guess is that it will also make the court more likely to continue current policies of keeping the public out of its chambers. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 28, 2012 10:29:37 GMT -5
On this one decision, he's a wise and learned man, Ed.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 28, 2012 10:31:53 GMT -5
Now, as for Chief Justice Roberts: I can't think of any words to describe my disdain for you. People can't have it both ways--we want justices to be apolitical but when their ox is gored, they want the Court to issue a political response. The Chief Justice's view is a fundamentally apolitical one, as opposed to those on both the far left and the far right of the Court--this is not exactly good law, but if defined as a tax it's legal nonetheless. The fact that the Solitictor General included the tax as the third option of the Act saved the law and gave the Court a narrow window to uphold it. Absent that, not even the left of the court would have much leeway and it would have likely fallen 6-3. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 28, 2012 10:32:20 GMT -5
You're assuming the voting public will analyze it that way. His only argument so far has been "it's different because it's state vs. federal." He's going to have to do better than that. Maybe I'm misreading your post, but you seem awfully dismissive of the state versus federal distinction. Granted, most of the public couldn't care less about that distinction, but it's an important one. I still think Obama has to get past the tax issue before he can argue about Massachusetts/Romneycare. This is probably the best early analysis I've seen about the approach the GOP may take: www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-insiders/post/obama-won-ugly-and-only-temporarily/2012/06/28/gJQAEnHA9V_blog.html?hpid=z3 |
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