hoyabinx
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Post by hoyabinx on Sept 7, 2014 21:21:08 GMT -5
From what I am hearing from multiple sources is he is basically a lock. Lock for what school?
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Post by hurrahforgeorgetown on Sept 7, 2014 21:27:12 GMT -5
From what I am hearing from multiple sources is he is basically a lock. Lock for what school? Georgetown. My guess is he commits after the visit seeing as he has no other visits after us. I shouldn't of said lock though, but I like our chances.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2014 22:02:35 GMT -5
Georgetown. My guess is he commits after the visit seeing as he has no other visits after us. I shouldn't of said lock though, but I like our chances. What sources? Are you close to the young man or know someone who is?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 7, 2014 23:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I've got a feeling we're better than 50/50 here.
Although I do remember seeing Larry Brown at one of his games during his sophomore year.
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Post by hurrahforgeorgetown on Sept 8, 2014 5:36:00 GMT -5
Georgetown. My guess is he commits after the visit seeing as he has no other visits after us. I shouldn't of said lock though, but I like our chances. What sources? Are you close to the young man or know someone who is? I'm confident with the source. I know someone who is close to home with him
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Post by prhoya on Sept 8, 2014 8:12:49 GMT -5
What sources? Are you close to the young man or know someone who is? I'm confident with the source. I know someone who is close to home with him I hope you're right, but watch out how far you stick your neck around here. General rule in recruiting: only the athlete and his parents (maybe a handler) know.
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Post by hurrahforgeorgetown on Sept 8, 2014 9:04:22 GMT -5
I'm confident with the source. I know someone who is close to home with him I hope you're right, but watch out how far you stick your neck around here. General rule in recruiting: only the athlete and his parents (maybe a handler) know. You're right, nothing is a lock in recruiting. Shouldn't have said that.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 8, 2014 10:25:19 GMT -5
I hope you're right, but watch out how far you stick your neck around here. General rule in recruiting: only the athlete and his parents (maybe a handler) know. You're right, nothing is a lock in recruiting. Shouldn't have said that. You didn't though, you said "basically a lock", which is different
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 8, 2014 20:39:33 GMT -5
I just hope you're right!
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 9, 2014 10:39:33 GMT -5
Big push being made for Crawford. Staff loves his athleticism, toughness, ability to go to the rack, and think he's one of the best distributors in his class.
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Post by vv83 on Sept 9, 2014 10:49:08 GMT -5
Crawford had a tough junior year. But check out these highlights from his sophomore season. highlight reels are an extremely limited example of a player's talent. But for those of us who can't get out to watch a lot of high school games, highlight reels at least give us a little something. Crawford's passing ability/vision is particularly impressive in these highlights. After I first watched this video over a year ago, Crawford was the '15 guard that I was most excited about for the Hoyas. Crawford's buzz has dimmed quite a bit since his soph. season, but I think he could be a real high impact true point guard for us if he chooses Georgetown
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Sept 9, 2014 11:19:18 GMT -5
May I ask why "Crawford's buzz has dimmed quite a bit"? Was it injury, or did he just play poorly last year? If so, what is the reason for optimism this year? Did the summer AAU circuit restore the luster?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 9, 2014 11:45:49 GMT -5
Injury was a part of it, from what I understand.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 9, 2014 13:03:05 GMT -5
May I ask why "Crawford's buzz has dimmed quite a bit"? Was it injury, or did he just play poorly last year? If so, what is the reason for optimism this year? Did the summer AAU circuit restore the luster? He had a lot of promise as a frosh/soph, had a couple of injuries, then played like hot garbage as a Junior when he finally had to be "the man" for Gonzaga. Played better this spring and summer.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 9, 2014 13:20:55 GMT -5
His game has shades of Darren Collison in it.
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 9, 2014 17:39:16 GMT -5
Like the fact that JTIII is at Gonzaga today watching Crawford. Seems like we're all in on him. Coach could have been a lot of other places today, on the first day of the open period, trying to make headway with other prospects (Skal, for instance). But instead he's pushing as hard as possible for Crawford, trying to sew him up. If we can't land Bryant by the early signing period it will definitely be a disappointment.
Because honestly, I think point guard is what we need. We recruited the 2-3-4 positions beautifully in the 2014 class, and we pulled a Top 50 center in 2015 (plus some depth at the 4/3 spots with Derrickson). What that group really needs is an athletic point to run the show. That isnt to say Campbell can't be that guy, but I'm just not sure he's on the same level talent wise with guys like Peak, White, Campbell or Govan, and I think Crawford certainly is.
While he may not have had as much attention from the Dukes and the Carolinas as some of them, I think Crawford has every chance to be among the best point guards to come out of the DC area in the last several years. Probably the most athletic since Lawson, or maybe Smith if you count him. Think he'd be a great fit which would plug the last real position of need right now and then we can hope to land someone with longer odds like Dozier, Rabb or Skal.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Sept 9, 2014 23:06:10 GMT -5
You have compared him to Ty Lawson and B&G mentioned Darren Collison...I'm assuming from an athletic standpoint. If he is even close......we'd be looking at the best team since the Final Four group.
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Post by beenaround on Sept 9, 2014 23:27:52 GMT -5
sorry...meant most athletic. Have not seen enough to say the best.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Sept 10, 2014 7:01:13 GMT -5
Like the fact that JTIII is at Gonzaga today watching Crawford. Seems like we're all in on him. Coach could have been a lot of other places today, on the first day of the open period, trying to make headway with other prospects (Skal, for instance). But instead he's pushing as hard as possible for Crawford, trying to sew him up. If we can't land Bryant by the early signing period it will definitely be a disappointment. Because honestly, I think point guard is what we need. We recruited the 2-3-4 positions beautifully in the 2014 class, and we pulled a Top 50 center in 2015 (plus some depth at the 4/3 spots with Derrickson). What that group really needs is an athletic point to run the show. That isnt to say Campbell can't be that guy, but I'm just not sure he's on the same level talent wise with guys like Peak, White, Campbell or Govan, and I think Crawford certainly is. While he may not have had as much attention from the Dukes and the Carolinas as some of them, I think Crawford has every chance to be among the best point guards to come out of the DC area in the last several years. Probably the most athletic since Lawson, or maybe Smith if you count him. Think he'd be a great fit which would plug the last real position of need right now and then we can hope to land someone with longer odds like Dozier, Rabb or Skal. i agree with some of what you have said. however, i am not that big on crawford mainly because i don't see him as an essential need. at 6'2, what he offers more than campbell is athleticism. as some of you have said, campbell has better shooting mechanics, while crawford has more athleticism; in terms of passing, they are about even. however, with campbell being a year ahead of crawford, i don't think crawford would start over campbell (not to mention JT3's stubbornness toward seniority). and when crawford is not starting over campbell, i don't see those two sharing backcourt together at any given moment. if it's campbell and dozier, yes that makes sense, because dozier is 6'6. but with both of these guys being around 6'1 ~6'2, they don't really complement each other at the same time. crawford has also struggled last year against elite good competition and has disappeared quite a lot throughout the stretches. with his athleticism, he definitely has potential, but one could have said the same thing about hopkins coming out of high school and we know what he has been so far for our program (not saying hopkins' final year will suck again). it really depends on how you value crawford. if he plays as good as any 5 star pgs this year, and able to be considered as recruiting over campbell, by all means go for this man. but from what i have seen and gathered from other scouts, he is not there yet. would have loved if we have worked harder on mitchell/bacon, but those ships have sailed; only ship i am being hopeful that i consider as an essential need (and also realistic) is dozier.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 10, 2014 7:17:36 GMT -5
Like the fact that JTIII is at Gonzaga today watching Crawford. Seems like we're all in on him. Coach could have been a lot of other places today, on the first day of the open period, trying to make headway with other prospects (Skal, for instance). But instead he's pushing as hard as possible for Crawford, trying to sew him up. If we can't land Bryant by the early signing period it will definitely be a disappointment. Because honestly, I think point guard is what we need. We recruited the 2-3-4 positions beautifully in the 2014 class, and we pulled a Top 50 center in 2015 (plus some depth at the 4/3 spots with Derrickson). What that group really needs is an athletic point to run the show. That isnt to say Campbell can't be that guy, but I'm just not sure he's on the same level talent wise with guys like Peak, White, Campbell or Govan, and I think Crawford certainly is. While he may not have had as much attention from the Dukes and the Carolinas as some of them, I think Crawford has every chance to be among the best point guards to come out of the DC area in the last several years. Probably the most athletic since Lawson, or maybe Smith if you count him. Think he'd be a great fit which would plug the last real position of need right now and then we can hope to land someone with longer odds like Dozier, Rabb or Skal. i agree with some of what you have said. however, i am not that big on crawford mainly because i don't see him as an essential need. at 6'2, what he offers more than campbell is athleticism. as some of you have said, campbell has better shooting mechanics, while crawford has more athleticism; in terms of passing, they are about even. however, with campbell being a year ahead of crawford, i don't think crawford would start over campbell (not to mention JT3's stubbornness toward seniority). and when crawford is not starting over campbell, i don't see those two sharing backcourt together at any given moment. if it's campbell and dozier, yes that makes sense, because dozier is 6'6. but with both of these guys being around 6'1 ~6'2, they don't really complement each other at the same time. crawford has also struggled last year against elite good competition and has disappeared quite a lot throughout the stretches. with his athleticism, he definitely has potential, but one could have said the same thing about hopkins coming out of high school and we know what he has been so far for our program (not saying hopkins' final year will suck again). it really depends on how you value crawford. if he plays as good as any 5 star pgs this year, and able to be considered as recruiting over campbell, by all means go for this man. but from what i have seen and gathered from other scouts, he is not there yet. would have loved if we have worked harder on mitchell/bacon, but those ships have sailed; only ship i am being hopeful that i consider as an essential need (and also realistic) is dozier. There's nothing wrong with quality depth -- and I don't mean that in the sense that Crawford or Campbell is going to be a backup. I mean it in the sense that if you have two quality PG recruits rather than one, you have a much better chance of having a plus or average BE PG in the future. We don't know if these players are going to out or underperform their rankings. Because of that, depth is key. And that's before you factor in injuries, early entry and transfers. Also, what bias towards seniority? Why do some people keep saying this? Maybe in the first few games of the season, but there's no real evidence that seniority is a driver. Just because JT3 doesn't play your favorite bench player, doesn't mean he's got some seniority thing. We've had tons of freshmen starters. We've had upperclassmen benched or passed over for freshmen starters.
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