prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Apr 24, 2012 14:00:22 GMT -5
I like Markel, but does he have the cojones to bounce back from a bad second half of the season and be a leader? He will be forced into the role. We'll see how he handles it.
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 24, 2012 17:30:04 GMT -5
He has the skill, and wanting to be a politician i'm sure he wants to experience a leader role as well.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 24, 2012 23:16:15 GMT -5
That's funny and all, but JT III credited Dougherty as a a leader of the team multiple times during his senior season. Pretty sure he was a captain too. Markel Starks, leader. The next Ryan Dougherty.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 27, 2012 15:29:41 GMT -5
There has been a sense of disappointment among our PGs since J-Wall in JT3 Era. Considering how good J-Wall was in leading our system, he will always be the barometer of successful PGs. Wright and Markel, who have inherited the role, have come short considering that they were A LOT HIGHER rated than J-Wall. J-Wall should be credited a lot more for his role in our FF run in 2007 - while Green and Hibbert were the faces of our team, J-Wall played a big role, sometimes bigger, than those guys.
As many of you said during the recruitment that he is going to be better than Kendall Marshall, I am really hoping to see his potential unfolds next year. He has all the tools to be better than J-Wall, and he will have as good players as J-Wall had as well. He has to be the one controlling the tempo, knock down those shots, and make the right decisions just like JWall. Once he can do that, we can be as good, if not better, as 2007 team.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 23:45:30 GMT -5
There has been a sense of disappointment among our PGs since J-Wall in JT3 Era. Considering how good J-Wall was in leading our system, he will always be the barometer of successful PGs. Wright and Markel, who have inherited the role, have come short considering that they were A LOT HIGHER rated than J-Wall. J-Wall should be credited a lot more for his role in our FF run in 2007 - while Green and Hibbert were the faces of our team, J-Wall played a big role, sometimes bigger, than those guys. As many of you said during the recruitment that he is going to be better than Kendall Marshall, I am really hoping to see his potential unfolds next year. He has all the tools to be better than J-Wall, and he will have as good players as J-Wall had as well. He has to be the one controlling the tempo, knock down those shots, and make the right decisions just like JWall. Once he can do that, we can be as good, if not better, as 2007 team. I love Wallace, but it's insane to say he played a bigger role than Green or Hibbert.
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 28, 2012 0:28:54 GMT -5
There has been a sense of disappointment among our PGs since J-Wall in JT3 Era. Considering how good J-Wall was in leading our system, he will always be the barometer of successful PGs. Wright and Markel, who have inherited the role, have come short considering that they were A LOT HIGHER rated than J-Wall. J-Wall should be credited a lot more for his role in our FF run in 2007 - while Green and Hibbert were the faces of our team, J-Wall played a big role, sometimes bigger, than those guys. As many of you said during the recruitment that he is going to be better than Kendall Marshall, I am really hoping to see his potential unfolds next year. He has all the tools to be better than J-Wall, and he will have as good players as J-Wall had as well. He has to be the one controlling the tempo, knock down those shots, and make the right decisions just like JWall. Once he can do that, we can be as good, if not better, as 2007 team. I love Wallace, but it's insane to say he played a bigger role than Green or Hibbert. "Sometimes bigger"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 0:32:45 GMT -5
There has been a sense of disappointment among our PGs since J-Wall in JT3 Era. Considering how good J-Wall was in leading our system, he will always be the barometer of successful PGs. Wright and Markel, who have inherited the role, have come short considering that they were A LOT HIGHER rated than J-Wall. J-Wall should be credited a lot more for his role in our FF run in 2007 - while Green and Hibbert were the faces of our team, J-Wall played a big role, sometimes bigger, than those guys. As many of you said during the recruitment that he is going to be better than Kendall Marshall, I am really hoping to see his potential unfolds next year. He has all the tools to be better than J-Wall, and he will have as good players as J-Wall had as well. He has to be the one controlling the tempo, knock down those shots, and make the right decisions just like JWall. Once he can do that, we can be as good, if not better, as 2007 team. It’s a team game my friend. You need more than one or 2 guys to win, the final four team had 5 future pro’s on it. Four played prominent roles and 3 of them were upperclassman. Next years team will have two upperclassman total and no seniors. As far as future pro’s, the only one that has established himself is Otto..
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Post by mapei on Apr 28, 2012 8:44:44 GMT -5
JWall was the floor leader of that team, which also benefited from other kinds of leaders who together had great chemistry. JWall's calm & positive demeanor, great decision-making, and reliability under pressure (eg, 3 FTs to send Marquette game into overtime) were evident every time he was on the court.
I thought CW was a great leader, too, and matured into an excellent player - his career was unfortunately hurt twice by significant injury, and his teams as a whole didn't have the same chemistry as 2007. That had more to do with the personality mix than with CW IMO.
Jason proved to be an incredible leader in his senior year - helped, again, by great team chemistry.
If Markel has been watching and learning, he can grow into that role. I don't think he's there yet, but that doesn't mean he won't get there, perhaps sooner than we think. I like the 'fire and ice' analogy for MS and Otto. Markel will direct more, while Otto will set the example. Jabril will bring focus and intensity. One of the great things about college basketball is watching players at a key period of their lives when some degree of change - with, one hopes, maturity - is almost inevitable. We'll find out who steps up, and I'm really looking forward to it!
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 28, 2012 9:47:25 GMT -5
I think Greg also has a great ceiling and will be at least a 2nd round pick and Jabril is a nice prospect
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Post by the_way on Apr 28, 2012 10:52:05 GMT -5
Real leadership tends to emerge as opposed to being appointed.
We have seen in the JTII era where folks becoming upperclassmen/seniors also become leaders while others fail to become them over time. Not that they were bad guys. They were good players, but they just weren't leaders.
The jury is still out on who will lead this team next year and beyond.
JWall was a leader, but beyond that he had basketball intuitiveness. In other words, he knew when the team needed a big shot from him, or when it was time to feed a hot hand or the right player. He was smart. He may have lacked the physical ability than most of the guards that JTIII has had here, but none have come close to JWall's sense and feel for the game.
I think that attribute and consistency has been missing since he has graduated.
That Final Four team was special with the big 3 in Wallace, Green, and Hibbert. Also, add guys like Sapp and Ewing, Jr. to the mix. You aren't just talking basketball and ability,you are talking intangibles.
Intangibles are something you can't put a price tag ( or star-rating) on, as we have seen after the Hibbert-Green-Wallace era.
And i think this year's current crop of freshman Otto, Whittington, etc. is an example of getting back to what took us to great heights early on in III's time here. Those intangibles.
Time will tell what Markel is going to do and how he will contribute.
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