Ottomatic
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 16, 2012 18:21:39 GMT -5
It's been a few years since we have had a lock for the draft. I kinda hope that goes for 1 more year after this year
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 16, 2012 18:50:02 GMT -5
It's been a few years since we have had a lock for the draft. I kinda hope that goes for 1 more year after this year That's a double edged sword, ottomatic. We all want talented players to come to GU, talented players want to play in the NBA, we need current players to get drafted so that talented players who want to go to the NBA will choose GU because they know that we can put players in the league. If younger recruits see highly touted players come here but don't get drafted, they're much less likely to see GU as a viable option for them. We have enough hurdles to overcome, we need everything we can think of to sell to recruits.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Apr 16, 2012 18:54:56 GMT -5
It's been a few years since we have had a lock for the draft. I kinda hope that goes for 1 more year after this year That's a double edged sword, ottomatic. We all want talented players to come to GU, talented players want to play in the NBA, we need current players to get drafted so that talented players who want to go to the NBA will choose GU because they know that we can put players in the league. If younger recruits see highly touted players come here but don't get drafted, they're much less likely to see GU as a viable option for them. We have enough hurdles to overcome, we need everything we can think of to sell to recruits. Perhaps he was alluding to the fact that he didn't want any early entry next year of someone who would be a lock but could also stay....
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 16, 2012 18:59:53 GMT -5
That's a double edged sword, ottomatic. We all want talented players to come to GU, talented players want to play in the NBA, we need current players to get drafted so that talented players who want to go to the NBA will choose GU because they know that we can put players in the league. If younger recruits see highly touted players come here but don't get drafted, they're much less likely to see GU as a viable option for them. We have enough hurdles to overcome, we need everything we can think of to sell to recruits. Perhaps he was alluding to the fact that he didn't want any early entry next year of someone who would be a lock but could also stay.... That's my point. We need players to go to the NBA early or otherwise because it helps bring in more talented/better recruits with the same goals. Just because we want them to stay, and they could, doesn't mean it does us any good in the long term.
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Ottomatic
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 16, 2012 19:00:01 GMT -5
We obviously aren't getting any one and dones this year and I don't want to loose Otto or Devonta (provided we get him) after this year.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 16, 2012 19:03:43 GMT -5
We obviously aren't getting any one and dones this year and I don't want to loose Otto or Devonta (provided we get him) after this year. If they're going to the NBA as a first round draft pick, then why not? That's great for Georgetown as a program.
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Ottomatic
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 16, 2012 19:08:38 GMT -5
I guess i'm just being greedy. I would love to see every Hoya get drafted
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Apr 16, 2012 22:07:36 GMT -5
I think we would be just fine if all the players who stayed 4 years got drafted:)
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 16, 2012 23:10:05 GMT -5
Are these about right? Chances of getting drafted: Henry: 95% Hollis: 40% Jason: 5%-10% I would say more like: Henry: 85% Hollis: 35% Jason: 0% This seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd put it somewhere around: Henry 75% Hollis 25% Clark <5% Henry's measurables are tremendous and his senior season play was draft-worthy. However, plenty of teams will do some digging to understand why he was essentially a bust for 3 years, trying to figure out if there's a deeper story there that would keep them from drafting him.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 16, 2012 23:23:12 GMT -5
One of the reasons Henry was a bust for 3 years is that JT3 didn't trust him at all. Looking back it's easy to say that given some more time, Sims would have evolved quicker on the court.
Sure a lot of it was Sims being immature, but some of it is due to a lack of PT.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 16, 2012 23:41:38 GMT -5
One of the reasons Henry was a bust for 3 years is that JT3 didn't trust him at all. Looking back it's easy to say that given some more time, Sims would have evolved quicker on the court. Sure a lot of it was Sims being immature, but some of it is due to a lack of PT. Sims was also played at the 4 most of his first 3 years.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 17, 2012 7:20:29 GMT -5
One of the reasons Henry was a bust for 3 years is that JT3 didn't trust him at all. Looking back it's easy to say that given some more time, Sims would have evolved quicker on the court. Sure a lot of it was Sims being immature, but some of it is due to a lack of PT. Sims was also played at the 4 most of his first 3 years. And Hank's showing up as a 4 in a few of these draft previews. Does this mean he shouldn't be drafted? Because his only good year in college came when he played out of his natural position?
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 17, 2012 10:56:35 GMT -5
Sims was also played at the 4 most of his first 3 years. And Hank's showing up as a 4 in a few of these draft previews. Does this mean he shouldn't be drafted? Because his only good year in college came when he played out of his natural position? No but the 4 and 5 in JT3's offense operate differently then the 4 and 5 in the NBA. Also I'd hope that his development due to playing time at the 5 would help his ability to play the 4. Anyway, I'm sure NBA teams will be looking more at his "immaturity" then how he was used by JTIII to explain away his first 3 years.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 17, 2012 11:25:20 GMT -5
Not sure why people would consider Sims a 4. With his measurables, he's clearly a 5 at the NBA level and he certainly isn't going to guard NBA 4s. He's a classic 5 size-wise with good passing ability. To me, he's a very solid backup NBA 5 who can give 10-15 competent minutes a game.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 17, 2012 11:26:50 GMT -5
Not sure why people would consider Sims a 4. With his measurables, he's clearly a 5 at the NBA level and he certainly isn't going to guard NBA 4s. He's a classic 5 size-wise with good passing ability. To me, he's a very solid backup NBA 5 who can give 10-15 competent minutes a game. Words like clearly and certainly? Henry could play PF in the league im not sure what youre talking about... its not like he's massive. He's virtually the same height as KD, and is a finesse big, yet hes an NBA level 5?
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 17, 2012 11:30:30 GMT -5
Not sure why people would consider Sims a 4. With his measurables, he's clearly a 5 at the NBA level and he certainly isn't going to guard NBA 4s. He's a classic 5 size-wise with good passing ability. To me, he's a very solid backup NBA 5 who can give 10-15 competent minutes a game. Words like clearly and certainly? Henry could play PF in the league im not sure what youre talking about... I don't know why people think Henry's a 4. He was the second biggest guy by measurables at the Portsmouth camp. The only good season he had at Georgetown he played the 5. He doesn't have the quickness or athleticism to guard NBA 4s. He does not have a consistent outside game offensively which many NBA 4s have. He has a very nice NBA future as a 5, where his size/bulk and lack of jumping ability/lateral quickness (relative to NBA 4s) will be fine. In all seriousness, why would people think Henry is a 4? Because he wanted to be/thought he should be, incorrectly and with a lack of production, by the way, for his first 3 years on the Hilltop?
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 17, 2012 11:41:36 GMT -5
The NBA really doesn't care all that much about how he played within JTIII's system with the exception of his passing ability. They know he's fairly comfortable on the perimeter with the ball in his hands, and he can take a 17 footer and make it, although not consistently. The Lakers have Troy Murphy on their roster as a 4/5 and he's 6'11, 245. Pau Gasol plays the 4 when Bynum is in the game and he's 7'0, 250. Before that, Odom was at the 4 and he's 6'10, 230. I'm not comparing Hank to them in anything other than size. His size doesn't make him automatically anything in the NBA.
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royski
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Post by royski on Apr 17, 2012 11:49:49 GMT -5
Troy Murphy has a deadly outside shot which allows him to float around the perimeter and draw a post defender out of the lane for the Kobe-centered dribble drive offense that Mike Brown likes to employ. (IE: LeBron or Kobe get the ball either at the top, or at the elbow, and then make something happen!) Sims has a jump shot that opponents would often successfully concede from 15 feet. Not comparable. Sims is a 5 at the NBA level; if he can't succeed as a 5 then he won't succeed. He doesn't have a future as an NBA 4 on either end of the court. He does as a 5.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 17, 2012 11:52:35 GMT -5
His size doesn't make him automatically anything in the NBA. This is my point. And people can see Henry as a 4 because he has the tools. You talk about Henry being a 5 like he could play it in the NBA today. Getting drafted is one thing, but Henry will need to improve several areas significantly (strength, jumping ability, finishing...) if he wants to see the floor in the NBA. Im not saying that to bash him - because im his biggest supporter - but to say that Henry is definitely an NBA 5 is just stupid, we all saw how he struggled against Fab and the boys...
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 17, 2012 11:55:34 GMT -5
Troy Murphy has a deadly outside shot which allows him to float around the perimeter and draw a post defender out of the lane for the Kobe-centered dribble drive offense that Mike Brown likes to employ. (IE: LeBron or Kobe get the ball either at the top, or at the elbow, and then make something happen!) Sims has a jump shot that opponents would often successfully concede from 15 feet. Not comparable. Sims is a 5 at the NBA level; if he can't succeed as a 5 then he won't succeed. He doesn't have a future as an NBA 4 on either end of the court. He does as a 5. Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't comparing them in anything other than size?? Or just choose to ignore it? I was commenting on the fact that some are assuming that because Henry is 6'11, 250 he has to be a 5. My point was that just because he's 6'11, 250, he doesn't have to be anything in particular.
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