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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 17, 2012 3:33:20 GMT -5
::Bleep:: Vitale. I woke up yesterday watching him watrn GU about an upset alert because the Big East "didn't play well" on day one. Really? The Big East went 3 and 2 the first day (and 1 and 0 on the actual first day) and both losses came in games in which the BE teams were the lower seeds. But Vitale wasn't alone in this view. On a radio show onn ESPN 980 hosted by two Terp lovers there was also chatter about the Big East struggling and living up to its overrated tag. One of the dudes emphasized that that the Big East was only 2 and three against the spread (I suppose Syracuse squeezing out a win explains that).
I wonder if they think the BE is still struggling. Notre Dame's late collapse prevented a perfect day, but nonetheless the BE has demonstrated it plays a different level of basketball indeed. What USF is doing to teams by the way is just sick.
I wonder if the victory against Belmount qualifies as a "quality win" by Seth Davis. Its about time the Hoyas got one of those I suppose.
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Post by Saxifrage on Mar 17, 2012 7:30:12 GMT -5
One fascinating thing about the Duke loss is how badly the the team was coached. The Lehigh players were playing over their heads, no doubt, but Duke never established a post game. And then, after a couple fastbreak baskets by Lehigh, Duke started pulling back after a shot, to defend. Which let Lehigh get more defensive rebounds than they should have. All those pointless screens, way out on the perimeter: This is how you use your big men when you have a height and power advantage? Bah. Simply awful game coaching for Duke.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 17, 2012 7:34:26 GMT -5
the call against ND was a shame - I dislike/loath/can't stand all things South Bent but that was just a ridiculous call and listening to Clark Kellogg trying to figure out what the rule actually was just underscored how inappropriate it is to decide a game on such an obscure and inconsequential rule. It's like calling a technical in a tied game because someone's shirt comes un-tucked
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 17, 2012 9:07:16 GMT -5
Is it just the newspapers in MS or are papers across the country burying the No. 2 Duke loss to a 15 seed with the loss by Missouri to a 15 seed? The newspaper here has the headline "No.2 seeds Missouri, Duke each suffer shocking losses" but the article is all about the MO loss and never mentions Duke. I noticed during the regular season after a Duke win you could always find a replay, but when they lost I had a hard time if any time finding a replay. Same thing happened last night, no replay. I know MO was the higher ranked team but both were 2 seeds and Duke is the more "prestigious" team. Just wondering if the coverup is nation wide.
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Post by Jack on Mar 17, 2012 9:32:17 GMT -5
Is it just the newspapers in MS or are papers across the country burying the No. 2 Duke loss to a 15 seed with the loss by Missouri to a 15 seed? The newspaper here has the headline "No.2 seeds Missouri, Duke each suffer shocking losses" but the article is all about the MO loss and never mentions Duke. I noticed during the regular season after a Duke win you could always find a replay, but when they lost I had a hard time if any time finding a replay. Same thing happened last night, no replay. I know MO was the higher ranked team but both were 2 seeds and Duke is the more "prestigious" team. Just wondering if the coverup is nation wide. That's got to be a late game issue/early deadline issue - no way anyone is "covering up" a Duke loss. That is tinfoil hat stuff.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 17, 2012 9:37:21 GMT -5
The lane violation rule needs to be changed. You cannot make that call when the ball goes in if he misses yes make the call. But it went in no harm no foul.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 17, 2012 10:03:26 GMT -5
Is it just the newspapers in MS or are papers across the country burying the No. 2 Duke loss to a 15 seed with the loss by Missouri to a 15 seed? The newspaper here has the headline "No.2 seeds Missouri, Duke each suffer shocking losses" but the article is all about the MO loss and never mentions Duke. I noticed during the regular season after a Duke win you could always find a replay, but when they lost I had a hard time if any time finding a replay. Same thing happened last night, no replay. I know MO was the higher ranked team but both were 2 seeds and Duke is the more "prestigious" team. Just wondering if the coverup is nation wide. That's got to be a late game issue/early deadline issue - no way anyone is "covering up" a Duke loss. That is tinfoil hat stuff. This.
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Post by jgalt on Mar 17, 2012 11:51:57 GMT -5
If a rule is in the books, it needs to be called. You can argue a rule is stupid or no longer relevlent, but if it is a rule it has to be called. That is how you get consistency and a fair game. Establish the rules and enforce them fairly.
Some rules should be changed. I think the carry rule is pretty out dated, now. It could be called almost every play, but in todays game carrying does really give the advantage it used to. But it doesnt matter because it is the rule and therefore should be called.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 17, 2012 12:04:03 GMT -5
It seems to me that kids are a little early in the lane frequently, but it rarely gets called. That's not the time to do it.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 17, 2012 12:04:12 GMT -5
Great. By the way what time did that Duke loss replay come on in your neck of the woods?
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Post by seaweed on Mar 17, 2012 12:41:01 GMT -5
wow, who did laurie fine have to Edited to get these refs?
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 17, 2012 13:29:46 GMT -5
Big East gets its first team into the Sweet Sixteen. 'Cuse looked a lot more convincing in this one.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 17, 2012 13:33:35 GMT -5
Everyone knew Kansas st could rebound with cuse but it seemed pretty uncertain that they'd be able to execute well enough. Clearly they could not. I think either Wisconsin or Vanderbilt will give them trouble and knock them off.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 17, 2012 13:47:07 GMT -5
Kansas State's problem (other than losing a senior starter just before the game) was making outside shots. Something it is often iffy at doing. Today it could not. And it had the misfortune of facing a Syracuse team following a game in which it struggled, so the Cuse were going to be more sharp today.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2012 15:13:43 GMT -5
Is it just the newspapers in MS or are papers across the country burying the No. 2 Duke loss to a 15 seed with the loss by Missouri to a 15 seed? The newspaper here has the headline "No.2 seeds Missouri, Duke each suffer shocking losses" but the article is all about the MO loss and never mentions Duke. I noticed during the regular season after a Duke win you could always find a replay, but when they lost I had a hard time if any time finding a replay. Same thing happened last night, no replay. I know MO was the higher ranked team but both were 2 seeds and Duke is the more "prestigious" team. Just wondering if the coverup is nation wide. Been watching ESPNNEWS all day and haven't seen one interview with LeHigh's players/coach. There are multiple interviews with NSU's players/coach after the game and one looks like it is from this morning. This is why the country outside of Durham hates Duke. If 3 seeded GTown had lost to Belmont it would have been breaking news even though we lost in the 1st rd in the previous two tourneys............
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 17, 2012 15:35:31 GMT -5
Is it just the newspapers in MS or are papers across the country burying the No. 2 Duke loss to a 15 seed with the loss by Missouri to a 15 seed? The newspaper here has the headline "No.2 seeds Missouri, Duke each suffer shocking losses" but the article is all about the MO loss and never mentions Duke. I noticed during the regular season after a Duke win you could always find a replay, but when they lost I had a hard time if any time finding a replay. Same thing happened last night, no replay. I know MO was the higher ranked team but both were 2 seeds and Duke is the more "prestigious" team. Just wondering if the coverup is nation wide. Been watching ESPNNEWS all day and haven't seen one interview with LeHigh's players/coach. There are multiple interviews with NSU's players/coach after the game and one looks like it is from this morning. This is why the country outside of Durham hates Duke. If 3 seeded GTown had lost to Belmont it would have been breaking news even though we lost in the 1st rd in the previous two tourneys............ CBS had an interview with the Lehigh coach and CJ McCollum at the top of the broadcast today.
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Post by swhoya on Mar 17, 2012 15:42:27 GMT -5
To be fair, Missouri was a bigger upset. No one thought Duke was that good this year.
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Post by whatmaroon on Mar 17, 2012 17:11:45 GMT -5
From Jeff Goodman on twitter: Jamar Samuels was suspended by Kansas State for a $200 wire transfer on Monday from his AAU coach Curtis Malone. Malone told CBSSports he was unaware of the rule. "If I wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently. He needed money to eat."
Don't ever change, Curtis, don't ever change.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 17, 2012 17:35:35 GMT -5
Marquette is in a dogfight with Murray State. Tied at 32, 1st TV timeout of the 2nd half.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 17, 2012 17:47:02 GMT -5
From Jeff Goodman on twitter: Jamar Samuels was suspended by Kansas State for a $200 wire transfer on Monday from his AAU coach Curtis Malone. Malone told CBSSports he was unaware of the rule. "If I wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently. He needed money to eat." Don't ever change, Curtis, don't ever change. Pure class that man. Looking out for the poor, hungry children of the world. And in case anyone missed this from a few days back.... www.washingtonpost.com/sports/dc-assaults-curtis-malone-charged-with-assault/2012/03/14/gIQAzFaMCS_story.html
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