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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 13, 2012 17:26:41 GMT -5
Please let's not bring UGa into this discussion - he has been breed to "exaggerate" the breed. He lives on a farm. and is paraded out at football games. He's a rent-a-mascot. Jack is a regular bulldog who lives in a community of students and who happens to be a mascot.
I'm on my 2nd bulldog and he currently has the same injury as Jack. Do I think it's breed related - I don't know - he wrestles with our other dogs, runs rampant in the yard and seems to enjoy his existence. Our previous bulldog passed away in her sleep at the age of 8 (right at the low end of bulldog life expentancy) and never had any problems except allergies.
Both breeders we dealt with had stringent rules about the dogs being neutered if they go to homes so they cannot be improperly breed, and having to be offered back to the breeder if we ever decided to give up the dog. You can't even get their AKC papers until they are "fixed". Yes, there are breeders out their that misbreed the dogs, whether for profit or to "perfect" the breed for show, but these blanket indictments of all breeders and the breed are really a reach. Bulldogs are wonderful companions, are great with kids and bring joy to many people. Just roll one over and rub his tummy and tell me he's not enjoying life.
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Post by CWS on Mar 13, 2012 18:23:40 GMT -5
Thank you for your response. I'd love to have a dialogue on this topic and my comments were not intended to be off-putting or confrontational. I hope Jack has a quick recovery! On to the veterinary issues: I'm glad to hear this particular ACL injury isn't breed related. I also defer to your experience with this particular dog in terms of his state of happiness. I am no vet and no expert, but I do want to point out a few things in response that I think we should all consider. First, a bit of googling indicates to me that ACL injuries are very much a bulldog thing. They appear to be common among bulldogs and even more so among those bred to be of abnormal proportions. Here, for example, is the Univ. of Georgia website discussing common bulldog problems and focusing on ACL injuries among just a few other: dlprit.myweb.uga.edu/larry/commonproblems.html#aclissuesAlso, the bulldog breeder's group's claim that bad bulldog health is a function of puppy mills seems off -base to me (particularly in light of who offered it - the NYT savaged the self-protective bulldog organizations as caring about their dogs' looks, but not health). If it's just puppy mills, there'd be no explanation for the terrible health among the famed Uga line of dogs that have served as mascots at UGA. Those dogs live better - and purportedly are bred better - than any other bulldog. Yet, the Ugas are the poster-children for everything that's wrong with the breed in terms of health. And in fairness to you, I didn't mean to suggest that there are no issues. But I think the issues are, as are all good issues, more complicated than even an article like this indicates. I'll try to justify that claim when I get a chance to write a longer email. Mods: don't know if we're in OT territory here. Father, what's Jack's favorite type of box? It's not so much a favorite box as a favorite context: he performs to an audience. Seriously. In my apartment, by myself, he'd never attack a box. It's only when students come visit him than he starts looking for something he can perform with. It's performance and competition: he's not so much attacking the box as he is doing something that "you" can't do (or he's not allowing you to do); he's most interested in the box when he thinks you're interested in it. That's why the student handlers at the game keep trying to take the box away from him: that's partly what makes him interested in it.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 13, 2012 21:12:54 GMT -5
hope jacks competitiveness and fiestyness get him thru this. and a little of that for his loyal caretaker too..
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 14, 2012 12:45:27 GMT -5
Jack is sacrificing for the good of the team. Two years ago Austin with diabetes. Last year Chris with his hand. This season Jack. Jack doesn't want anything to happen to any of our players so he's willing to go through the pain of rehabilitation.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 15, 2012 5:49:52 GMT -5
Jack is sacrificing for the good of the team. Two years ago Austin with diabetes. Last year Chris with his hand. This season Jack. Jack doesn't want anything to happen to any of our players so he's willing to go through the pain of rehabilitation. THIS. BRAVO.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 20, 2012 10:51:04 GMT -5
Good news: Jack isn't having surgery...for now.
Tweets from CWS:
Back from ortho surgeon; believes that 50-70% of Jack's ACL is torn. Unlikely, though possible, will heal. Surgery to repair recommended
Good news: no indication of arthritis or damage to either meniscus.
Because tear's patial, not vital that surgery's done immediately. Postoning it for 4 weeks so I can be fully present during recuperation.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 20, 2012 13:30:11 GMT -5
pretty good news let us know if we can do anything go hoyas GO JACK.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 30, 2012 10:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 30, 2012 10:21:12 GMT -5
SO ADORABLE. IM IN HEAVEN
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 31, 2012 8:49:24 GMT -5
very very very cute but GREAT motivational strategy by the university and jacks daddy.. having a back up on the bench who is so cute WILL HELP JACK BE MOTIVATED IN REHAB ingenious georgetown,,, ingenious yup go hoyas GO ALL JACKS past present and now future too. PS get well soon present jack. JJ IS COMING yes
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 23, 2012 14:09:42 GMT -5
Jack had his ACL surgery today - all went well - 2 to 3 months recovery time.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 23, 2012 14:52:22 GMT -5
Jack had his ACL surgery today - all went well - 2 to 3 months recovery time. Hooray! Hopefully JJ won't provoke him too much during the recovery time!
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Post by joey0403p on Apr 23, 2012 16:41:14 GMT -5
wonder what the PT schedule looks like for a dog? Do they do a patella graft? is it a cadaver? is there a mkt for kanine acls???
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 23, 2012 18:08:35 GMT -5
good luck jack and get well soon so you can help cws take care of your baby brother go hoyas GO JACKS.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 23, 2012 20:35:17 GMT -5
I know one thing we can't have -
Two silly Jacks, jumping on the bed. One fell off and bumped his head. CWS called the doctor, and the doctor said, no more Jacks jumping on the bed.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 23, 2012 12:39:03 GMT -5
It looks like Jack is making good progress and will be ready to tear apart a Syracuse box this winter...
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