RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 7, 2012 11:36:22 GMT -5
Speaking as a Georgetown employee... while our jobs would be infinitely simpler if we could blame students for being ignorant of every policy and procedure, the reality is that there is a responsibility on both sides. If students are ignorant of important details, that's on us as well as them, especially since a lot of pertinent information is not very easily accessible (this is a battle we fight on a near-daily basis. The tuition/fee schedule is buried seven layers deep and presented in a massive table in size 4 font, for goodness sake).
In this current instance, one thing to keep in mind is that Georgetown really goes out of its way to not advertise the facts surrounding student health insurance, likely because it is defensive about (and probably to some degree embarrassed by) them. As best I can tell, the operative assumption has been that undergrads and young grad students are all on their parents' insurance anyway, especially now that the eligibility age has been upped to 26, while older students are either working and insured through their jobs or are insured through their spouse or a legally domiciled adult. The number of students actually having to depend on the student health insurance plan, which is mediocre by any standard, is thus sufficiently low that complaints will generally remain at low levels and off the public radar. Such an approach does have drawbacks, as we're seeing play out now.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 9, 2012 14:24:43 GMT -5
In what can only be deemed a huge shock, it seems Ms. Fluke's PR is being handled by a former Obama staffer. Amazing how Ms. Fluke's phony controversy arose just as the President was taking real heat over his Contraception stand.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 9, 2012 14:43:03 GMT -5
In what can only be deemed a huge shock, it seems Ms. Fluke's PR is being handled by a former Obama staffer. Amazing how Ms. Fluke's phony controversy arose just as the President was taking real heat over his Contraception stand. You learned about that through Drudge. Therefore your post is completely invalid and without merit.  |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 9, 2012 14:55:17 GMT -5
In what can only be deemed a huge shock, it seems Ms. Fluke's PR is being handled by a former Obama staffer. Amazing how Ms. Fluke's phony controversy arose just as the President was taking real heat over his Contraception stand. You learned about that through Drudge. Therefore your post is completely invalid and without merit. As are the phony complaints of Ms. Fluke. |
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Post by Boz on Mar 9, 2012 16:46:42 GMT -5
What about my right to have access to to cough drops and other preventive medications for my throat?
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Post by bmartin on Mar 10, 2012 1:08:56 GMT -5
Attack the messanger. Avoid the issue. Avoid the facts. Typical.
No one ever said she was some random student. The Democrats picked her to be a witness at the House hearing because they saw and heard her participate in a forum or panel discussion previously.
The fact that she is a politial advocate does not discredit her or her argument. Attacking her and misrepresenting her argument and the facts do discredit her critics.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2012 5:24:00 GMT -5
She did a perfectly fine job of discrediting herself with her apocryphal anecdotes. She is an agenda-wielding partisan, case closed. Of course, that windbag Limbaugh managed to turn this fake into Joan of Arc with his ham-handed response. She, and her invented controversy, should have been ignored.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 10, 2012 8:33:48 GMT -5
Wouldn't have caused nearly the stir that it did if the Republicans had not had such a brainfart and so totally bungled the handling of a women's health issue by having a hearing in which only men were allowed to testify.  Then that racist, a-s-s hole, drug addict, blowhard Rush comes and adds jet fuel to the fire. Thank you, Rush. You know, now that I give it some thought, it wasn't a brainfart at all, but just Republican modus operandi. Let's declare war on women in an election year. Easy pickings... |
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2012 9:23:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't have caused nearly the stir that it did if the Republicans had not had such a brainfart and so totally bungled the handling of a women's health issue by having a hearing in which only men were allowed to testify. Then that racist, a-s-s hole, drug addict, blowhard Rush comes and adds jet fuel to the fire. Thank you, Rush. You know, now that I give it some thought, it wasn't a brainfart at all, but just Republican modus operandi. Let's declare war on women in an election year. Easy pickings... Did you know that there were two panels of witnesses at the hearing? And that the second included women, who had been invited by Republicans? The Democrats did, since they publish the witness list ahead of time. Also, did you know that the Democrats chose to invite a man as their witness on the first panel instead of Sandra Fluke? |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2012 9:25:18 GMT -5
Never, ever, let facts get in the way of the Democrat Party's favorite sport--victim creation.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 10, 2012 11:26:14 GMT -5
First panel, second panel, irrelevant. Don't obfuscate the issue. Stay focused on the message. Let's suppress any voice which does not toe the party line. Modus operandi. The "leaders" of the party will even attack their own who don't fully support the nonsense. Hello, tea sippers and Grover Norquist. And the Republicans do a tremendous job "creating victims". Democrats don't have to. Witness Sandra Fluke. It's been awhile since I've sparred. Feels good!  |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2012 12:15:56 GMT -5
Sandra Fluke (a perfect surname by the way) is a bought and paid for creation of the Democrat fringe. A central casting phony activist. As an aside, I personaly believe everyone (and most especially Democrat activists) should be provided with all the contraception they need.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 10, 2012 12:35:39 GMT -5
I worked in the House for 20 years. The proper hearing protocol is for the majority to pick most of the witnesses but let the minority pick one or two. It isn't a legitimate dialogue or debate or anything but a political stunt if all the witnesses have the exact same talking points favorable to the Chairman and majority party's point of view. It's more like the traditions of the Politburo than the US Congress.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2012 16:27:51 GMT -5
I worked in the House for 20 years. The proper hearing protocol is for the majority to pick most of the witnesses but let the minority pick one or two. It isn't a legitimate dialogue or debate or anything but a political stunt if all the witnesses have the exact same talking points favorable to the Chairman and majority party's point of view. It's more like the traditions of the Politburo than the US Congress. Yup. Dems got one witness in the first panel and chose a male witness, then decided they'd rather walk out, so they told him not to come. |
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Post by bmartin on Mar 10, 2012 17:20:03 GMT -5
Not exactly. Democrats asked for both. GOP said Barry Lynn but not Fluke. Dems said if only one we want Fluke. Issa said no. It was not because she is a woman but because she wanted to talk about women's health. Lynn represents Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Republicans wanted to talk only about religion and not about health issues. Plus they only acknowledge representatives of established interest groups as being worthy of addressing Members of Congress.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 10, 2012 17:23:14 GMT -5
Not exactly. Democrats asked for both. GOP said Barry Lynn but not Fluke. Dems said if only one we want Fluke. Issa said no. It was not because she is a woman but because she wanted to talk about women's health. Lynn represents Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Republicans wanted to talk only about religion and not about health issues. Plus they only acknowledge representatives of established interest groups as being worthy of addressing Members of Congress. Yeah, not what I'd read. Obviously, both sides are going to have different stories. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 12, 2012 10:57:14 GMT -5
Sandra Fluke (a perfect surname by the way) is a bought and paid for creation of the Democrat fringe. A central casting phony activist. As an aside, I personaly believe everyone (and most especially Democrat activists) should be provided with all the contraception they need. I personally find her annoying in interviews and don't think I'd enjoy 28 seconds in a 30 second conversation with her. (It would take me 2 seconds to say "I have somewhere else to be right now."). So I'll be perfectly happy when the spotlight comes off her (if it hasn't happened already). I also wish she had taken her agenda to another University because I strongly dislike public criticism of Georgetown. But I can't think of any good counter to the points that: (a) Georgetown seems to be offering female students needlessly limited insurance options and with no principled reason for doing so (if there were a principled reason, then employees wouldn't get broader options), and (b) it's not appropriate to call a young woman a "slut" on the radio just because she's taking a political stance you disagree with. |
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Post by Boz on Mar 12, 2012 11:29:51 GMT -5
I miss Dan Aykroyd!
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Post by Elvado on Mar 12, 2012 16:53:34 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly that the personal attack was out of line. however, it is readily apparent to me that she wllingly, with her agenda in mind, thrust herself into this spotlight. Not because she was beng denied a necessity, but because she wanted to make political hay.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 12, 2012 18:49:42 GMT -5
Sandra Fluke (a perfect surname by the way) is a bought and paid for creation of the Democrat fringe. A central casting phony activist. As an aside, I personaly believe everyone (and most especially Democrat activists) should be provided with all the contraception they need. But I can't think of any good counter to the points that: (a) Georgetown seems to be offering female students needlessly limited insurance options and with no principled reason for doing so (if there were a principled reason, then employees wouldn't get broader options), A counter is that Georgetown, to be consistent with Catholic teaching, should not offer such insurance to employees. |
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Then that racist, a-s-s hole, drug addict, blowhard Rush comes and adds jet fuel to the fire. Thank you, Rush. You know, now that I give it some thought, it wasn't a brainfart at all, but just Republican modus operandi. Let's declare war on women in an election year. Easy pickings...
