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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 8, 2012 20:36:30 GMT -5
Anyone know how the sub-regional sites are assigned? Actually, to phrase the question more clearly, are sub-regional sites and seeds pre-determined? Would hope we still have a shot of staying close to home (Pitt, Greensboro, Columbus) instead of being exiled somewhere out West (Albequerque, Portland) or down south (Nashville).
Jook, I agree with your assessment. I think the only way GU gets the 3 is if Wisconsin beats Indiana tomorrow and loses their next game after that. Otherwise, I think it goes to Indiana.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 8, 2012 20:55:22 GMT -5
Anyone know how the sub-regional sites are assigned? Actually, to phrase the question more clearly, are sub-regional sites and seeds pre-determined? Would hope we still have a shot of staying close to home (Pitt, Greensboro, Columbus) instead of being exiled somewhere out West (Albequerque, Portland) or down south (Nashville). They aren't "pre-determined" any more. Can be two 1-seeds, two 4-seeds, etc. The two "pods" don't necessarily have to be next to each other, even on the same side of the bracket. Pretty sure the cliffs notes version is they'll allocate them from the #1 overall seed on down, keeping the best teams as close to home as possible. A few are obvious: Syracuse is a lock for Pittsburgh, Kentucky and prob. Ohio State for Louisville, Kansas and Mizzou for Omaha, Duke and UNC for Greensboro. It's a little more hairy if we fall to the 4 seed--most bracket projections I see tend to have the two random 4 seeds in Portland, and one in Albuquerque. As the 3--where we've been for a little while--I've seen mostly Pittsburgh, with some Nashville/Columbus sprinkled in.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 8, 2012 21:11:01 GMT -5
Got to beat the best to be the best....bring em on.
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 8, 2012 21:36:59 GMT -5
I think we're a 4, and that is way worse than a 3....
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 8, 2012 21:41:41 GMT -5
are you being sarcastic? why is the 4 so much worse?
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 8, 2012 21:48:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see either as a big deal unless you are starting to look ahead to the sweet 16. I don't think we can afford that luxury. I think FL is right in that it moves us down the priority chain for sites, but even that is often accommadated unless is really tough to do so.
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 8, 2012 22:12:13 GMT -5
are you being sarcastic? why is the 4 so much worse? I see some real separation between the 1 seeds and the 2 seeds, so a 4 is comparably bad. I am getting ahead of myself, though, we are a long way from the sweet 16.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 9, 2012 6:59:35 GMT -5
i think we might still land on the 3 line if teams like michigan and temple lose today.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2012 9:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I am feeling better that we may hang on to a 3. I think its more likely that there are two BE teams on the 3 line than 2 B10 teams. Michigan, Indiana and Wisconsin all have losses outside the top 100 and neither Marquette or Gtown do. If the B10 is a regular chalky tournament I dont see anything special that those teams will accomplish. If those teams beat OSU or MSU I think it's a different story. Temple has good number but I would be shocked if they are a 3 seed.
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Post by Z on Mar 9, 2012 9:38:46 GMT -5
#3 - 10% #4 - 55% #5 - 35% [you really think we couldn't be deemed the 17th best team?] #6 - 5%
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2012 9:52:52 GMT -5
Nope. We wont be a 5th seed.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 9, 2012 9:58:05 GMT -5
Never say never on the committee punching us squarely in the groin and giving us a 5 seed.
One other thing: How is USF v. Seton Hall a debate? I'm not seeing why Seton Hall deserves to be in over USF. The BE isn't getting 10 so one of these teams is falling by the wayside. USF has better conference record, better RPI, better SOS and the BE COY (not an objective measure but still notoriety). While I usually root for the NE Catholic schools, I think it would be a travesty is BE got 9 and USF got short end of the stick.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2012 9:59:17 GMT -5
Here's the matrix again: bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm50 brackets, all of them have us as either a 3 or a 4 seed, with an average seed of 3.3--that does make us the weakest 3 seed though. Things like location, rematches and the remaining Indiana/Wisconsin/Michigan games can still change things, but there are literally no brackets that have us as a 5 seed. I thought this was an interesting listen on the selection process from CBS if people are looking for some background noise--its a little old, but its Nate Silver, John Gasaway and Matt Norlander talking about their experience at the mock selection and the factors that get emphasized: eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34913080Edit: Included the link to the matrix, because you know, thought that might be useful for everybody
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2012 10:01:28 GMT -5
Brasky, I am basing it on what TBird said. We'll see, but I dont think we are going to get punched that much. The Committee has actually been quite favorable to us seeding wise. Matchups are a different story.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 9, 2012 12:49:09 GMT -5
RPI took a hit. Down to 17. And hopefully one of Louisville or ND don't win the Big East tournament. That could knock us down some too. We wouldn't deserve to be behind either of them but it's happened before with tournament winners.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 9, 2012 14:08:29 GMT -5
Temple just lost to UMass. The remote chance of us getting dropped to a 5 became even smaller, if it ever existed in the first place.
Also wonder if the committee will dock Indiana for losing Verdell Jones III to an injury. Could be a way for us to make our way back to the 3 line if we weren't there already.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2012 14:21:07 GMT -5
Agree, Rockaway. That Temple loss probably clinches that we are not going to be a 5 seed, even though it was remote to begin with.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2012 14:31:17 GMT -5
So, is Kentucky throwing this game?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 9, 2012 14:33:30 GMT -5
The longer Cincy stays alive, the better it bodes for our seeding as well, although I don't think they have a prayer of beating Syracuse tonight
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 9, 2012 15:14:25 GMT -5
I'm still not connected with the difference between 3 and 4? Especially if you are looking at only the first weekend. Match ups and geography are way more important and I don't think there is a big gap between 3-7 seeds this year. Finally, the only #1 that I don't want in our region is Kentucky. Beyond that the 1 and 2 seeds are not that different.
Match ups and geography. Forget seeds.
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