gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Feb 12, 2012 20:39:02 GMT -5
JTIII abandoned the usual rotation after seeing Nate doing good early. Normally subs Nate out at the 17-16 minute mark and brings in Otto, but took out Henry today. Nothing is set in stone, just depends on who is doing good when.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 12, 2012 20:39:43 GMT -5
I'm willing to live and die with Jason in the game. He's our best player and leader and I would never take him out except for fatigue or foul trouble.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Feb 12, 2012 21:27:58 GMT -5
I'm willing to live and die with Jason in the game. He's our best player and leader and I would never take him out except for fatigue or foul trouble. Couldn't agree more. With all the discussion that Nate has (I think unfairly) gotten on this board, Sims for his improved play, and the freshmen for just being studs, JC has kind of seemed under the radar in terms of praise or criticism. Hollis is the one that's supposed to be going to the NBA, but Jason seems to have stepped up and decided that he will personally be responsible for how his senior season turns out. Whether that's taking a 3 (and I agree, some are much too long) or trying to get to the hoop, Jason has a sense of urgency this year. Credit has gone to a lot of other people, and deservedly so. But in my opinion, JC is the one irreplaceable guy on this year's team.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 12, 2012 21:29:25 GMT -5
SJU has a lot to look forward to if they can keep that group together.
Nice win for GU, avoiding the bad loss is critical now. Nate might have played his best game as a Hoya. Whitt is a comer.
There's still a lack of game sense on the floor sometimes, which drives you nuts when it's close. Market hits his first three, then launches another one on the next possession with about a half a minute left in the shot clock. Hollis does the same thing a few possessions later, and I assume that absurd three Jason took at the end has been discussed. We gave them at least six to eight points in the second half with fouls that weren't necessary.
Still a good day.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 12, 2012 21:35:43 GMT -5
Not sure how to figure out this stat (SFHoya get on it!), but we have to be the WORST team anywhere near the top 25 at getting dunked on versus how much we dunk on other teams. What's up with that? Even today we got dunked on at least 5 times and I can't recall us dunking even once. I know the points count the same, but a dunk at the right time gets the fans into it, changes momentum, gets the team into it and maybe, just maybe, scares the opposing (dunked on) team a bit.
The point of this post? I am sick of getting dunked on and need this team to play better defense around the hoop and foul when needed. And we need to start dunking the ball. Plain and simple. It's a bit of a finesse and a bit of a toughness thing. And while it doesn't show up in the boxscore, tell me that that Henry dunk a few games back didn't mean more than one of his foul line jumpers today.
And on another note - Nate was awesome today. Great job man.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 12, 2012 21:41:14 GMT -5
SJU has a lot to look forward to if they can keep that group together. Nice win for GU, avoiding the bad loss is critical now. Nate might have played his best game as a Hoya. Whitt is a comer. There's still a lack of game sense on the floor sometimes, which drives you nuts when it's close. Market hits his first three, then launches another one on the next possession with about a half a minute left in the shot clock. Hollis does the same thing a few possessions later, and I assume that absurd three Jason took at the end has been discussed. We gave them at least six to eight points in the second half with fouls that weren't necessary. Still a good day. luckily for their future opponents it doesn't seem likely they keep that group together for that long. For starters 1 of their 6 players God's gift is a juco so will be gone after next year. Harkless is having a good enough year and has enough athleticism that he could easily declare for the draft after this year. If he doesn't this year he's definitely gone next year. Garrett has a MLB contract waiting for him, after a frustrating season does he want to come back to this team or does he just go play baseball? Even if all 6 guys stay together they'll need more depth and St. John's has 0 2012 commits at this point. They have 1 transfer eligible next December.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Feb 12, 2012 21:53:33 GMT -5
Place is a disaster right now, and you really gotta feel for Lavin. Almost as bad of a situation as UConn, actually worse in terms of roster.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 12, 2012 22:00:04 GMT -5
Place is a disaster right now, and you really gotta feel for Lavin. Almost as bad of a situation as UConn, actually worse in terms of roster. Can someone explain why Lavin is too sick to coach but fine to travel to California for recruiting trips? I feel for the guy for what he's been through but don't really get why he's not coaching.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 12, 2012 22:17:26 GMT -5
I'm willing to live and die with Jason in the game. He's our best player and leader and I would never take him out except for fatigue or foul trouble. Completely agree. Jason has been so solid, I think there is nothing to converse about and therefore he gets no discussion. Clark has been solid all season and has been the one rock steady interms of effort night in and night out. He is the guy I will miss the most next season for sure. This year his sense of urgency has been something to enjoy. I hope he is able to close his senior year in style.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 12, 2012 22:27:48 GMT -5
Place is a disaster right now, and you really gotta feel for Lavin. Almost as bad of a situation as UConn, actually worse in terms of roster. Can someone explain why Lavin is too sick to coach but fine to travel to California for recruiting trips? I feel for the guy for what he's been through but don't really get why he's not coaching. Cynically: because this season they were going to struggle and he can justify it to recruits that it's because he wasn't coaching.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 12, 2012 22:33:29 GMT -5
Not sure how to figure out this stat (SFHoya get on it!), but we have to be the WORST team anywhere near the top 25 at getting dunked on versus how much we dunk on other teams. What's up with that? Even today we got dunked on at least 5 times and I can't recall us dunking even once. I know the points count the same, but a dunk at the right time gets the fans into it, changes momentum, gets the team into it and maybe, just maybe, scares the opposing (dunked on) team a bit. The point of this post? I am sick of getting dunked on and need this team to play better defense around the hoop and foul when needed. And we need to start dunking the ball. Plain and simple. It's a bit of a finesse and a bit of a toughness thing. And while it doesn't show up in the boxscore, tell me that that Henry dunk a few games back didn't mean more than one of his foul line jumpers today. Thank. You. You can find more dunks in a Baylor game...and I'm not even talking about the men's version of the Baylor team ;D. This has bugged me as of late. We are so finesse it is almost disgusting. Non-stop layups and long jumpshots. I'm sure III had Princeton teams that looked like the Miami Heat compared to these latest Hoyas. And the funny thing is that I know this team is extremely athletic. They play below the rim though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two points are two points but god ****! Throw it down fellas. There's no law against it. And could the guys drive to the basket more than once a game.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Feb 12, 2012 22:58:18 GMT -5
Place is a disaster right now, and you really gotta feel for Lavin. Almost as bad of a situation as UConn, actually worse in terms of roster. Can someone explain why Lavin is too sick to coach but fine to travel to California for recruiting trips? I feel for the guy for what he's been through but don't really get why he's not coaching. I suspect coaching a game including all the prep work is just much more stressful than recruiting. The in game part of coaching a game is definitely intense and the prep work is probably pretty lengthy. As a head coach who won't really have too much contact with the actual recruits I imagine recruiting is just easier to do. That's my guess with no support/evidence for it and it may well be that there are other less legitimate reasons.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Feb 12, 2012 23:13:05 GMT -5
The non stop traveling he is doing isn't stress free. He's still workin out there.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 12, 2012 23:34:29 GMT -5
I know I will sound like a homer - but I think we've been getting completely screwed by the refs lately. Wed's was a joke. Yes we lost nearly all of the 50 50 balls but you almost expect that at an away game. My issue was with the call near the end when otto went up for a shot and the ball got batted out of bounds. Either its a foul - or its our ball under the hoop...which obviously went against us. Then today - at home - it was almost comical. There were multiple back and forths where they MUGGED us and didn't get called - followed by a touch foul being called on us. what is up with that? I agree. These things tend to balance out, so hopefully we'll get all these calls made up to us in the NCAAs. ;D
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 0:09:39 GMT -5
Not sure how to figure out this stat (SFHoya get on it!), but we have to be the WORST team anywhere near the top 25 at getting dunked on versus how much we dunk on other teams. What's up with that? Even today we got dunked on at least 5 times and I can't recall us dunking even once. I know the points count the same, but a dunk at the right time gets the fans into it, changes momentum, gets the team into it and maybe, just maybe, scares the opposing (dunked on) team a bit. The point of this post? I am sick of getting dunked on and need this team to play better defense around the hoop and foul when needed. And we need to start dunking the ball. Plain and simple. It's a bit of a finesse and a bit of a toughness thing. And while it doesn't show up in the boxscore, tell me that that Henry dunk a few games back didn't mean more than one of his foul line jumpers today. And on another note - Nate was awesome today. Great job man. Georgetown has been out dunked 54-36 this season based on the data from hoya prospectus. possible I may have miscounted here or there doing the math in my head, but it's around there.
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Post by RDF on Feb 13, 2012 0:15:56 GMT -5
Best thing about today's game was finding a way to win and have a week to correct a lot of flaws that showed up today. Nice shooting from Greg and Markel, and big clutch shots by Clark too. Nate was like the guy we've all been hoping for all season. Looked more like Nate from last year and perfect time to do so. Now to some areas that need adjusting. 1. Jason Clark has to come out of game immediately when he's throwing the ball away like he was early in game and when he lost his cool and picked up 3 fouls. If you put him back in within a minute--fine--but he's got to come out and be told that it's not acceptible. His 1st Half was worst of year--and very unlike how he's played this year (team MVP imo). Long silly shots were what set a tone on offense in that half. 2. This group has to get more confident in ball handling at the guard position. Markel shot well today and made some great plays--but he gives up the ball to any/everyone in backcourt when any form or pressure is applied. Bring the ball up and show some confidence! 3. Defensively--you are facing a team who has 1 PG (Greene) and 6 scholarship players active for the game. Why not press and run them for majority of game and wear them out? Hoyas pressure is what turned game in Garden and instead Hoyas allowed SJU to control tempo/pace. Just would like to see some game planning to adjust to the opponent once in a while. Hoyas were very fortunate to come out of this with a win because Dunlap got exactly what he wanted tempo wise and Hoyas did them a favor by not pushing tempo/pressuring more. 4. Defensive breakdowns everywhere by everyone. Not recognizing shooters. Not closing out. Not helping teammates, and flashback to '09-'11 seasons in regards to letting dribblers get anywhere on the court they wanted to get. This was bad today. 5. Unforced turnovers. It's too deep in season to continue to have careless unforced turnovers where it's simply a sloppy pass or a telegraphed pass. Especially for a ball control offense. 6. Soft attempts near rim. Hollis made one of his crazy degree of difficulty shots--which he needs to start trying to go strong and get contact/and 1. Mikael went up soft at rim 2 times in a row--DUNK THE BALL!!!! MCI and others have touched on this--but the weakness in attempts around rim is baffling with this group. They are athletic enough to dunk and dunk in traffic. They are big team. So why the soft attempts? Swear to JYD--if this team loses in a missed layup in postseason...... Overall, I might be in minority but didn't like much of today's game other then outcome. As happy as I was with last 3 games, this one made me nervous. Hope it was just a letdown game--but really can't afford that and the SR's have to lead and by example in regards to being hungry and polished on the court.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2012 0:37:51 GMT -5
This has bugged me as of late. We are so finesse it is almost disgusting. Non-stop layups and long jumpshots. I'm sure III had Princeton teams that looked like the Miami Heat compared to these latest Hoyas. And the funny thing is that I know this team is extremely athletic. They play below the rim though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two points are two points but god ****! Throw it down fellas. There's no law against it. And could the guys drive to the basket more than once a game. I shouldn't be singling out MCI's post because it is pretty much endemic around here and I don't think he's even close to the most guilty party, but didn't the team win this game? Good lord people, this team was slated to be #10 in the conference, instead it is basically #10 in the nation because of the mix of offensive finesse and length on defense, and you're complaining about style points. I thought the team got hosed through most of the second half on the defensive end on touch and phantom touch fouls. They gutted through that and played really solidly down the stretch. As for the dunking, other than the Kansas game, I can't remember a single game where an opponent dunking really was to their advantage. UCONN dunked a lot, where did that get them?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 0:42:27 GMT -5
Not sure how to figure out this stat (SFHoya get on it!), but we have to be the WORST team anywhere near the top 25 at getting dunked on versus how much we dunk on other teams. What's up with that? Even today we got dunked on at least 5 times and I can't recall us dunking even once. I know the points count the same, but a dunk at the right time gets the fans into it, changes momentum, gets the team into it and maybe, just maybe, scares the opposing (dunked on) team a bit. The point of this post? I am sick of getting dunked on and need this team to play better defense around the hoop and foul when needed. And we need to start dunking the ball. Plain and simple. It's a bit of a finesse and a bit of a toughness thing. And while it doesn't show up in the boxscore, tell me that that Henry dunk a few games back didn't mean more than one of his foul line jumpers today. And on another note - Nate was awesome today. Great job man. CO tracks this somewhat but doesn't seem to publish it on HP except in individual games. I'm much too lazy to add it up for you, but I feel safe in saying that we get dunked on a lot more than we dunk. I really couldn't care less how much we get dunked ON, but I'd like to see us get more assertive down low.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2012 0:44:11 GMT -5
As for the dunking, other than the Kansas game, I can't remember a single game where an opponent dunking really was to their advantage. UCONN dunked a lot, where did that get them? This has been a defensive problem all season. This killed us against Syracuse - without any of those free and easy points, we would have won that game. It was early in the year, but Kansas dunked on us quite a bit too, likely enough to change the margin of that game, as well. I don't recall if it hurt us against Cincinnati. Keep in mind, there have been other games (like Connecticut) where it hasn't caused us to lose, but it has certainly kept the winning margin down. The dunks are problem because they are easy points we cannot simply give away.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2012 0:50:08 GMT -5
1) The only thing more pathetic than the Refs was the student turnout. Theses kids suck and should be embarrassed of themselves. The few kids who do show up don't cheer. The refs in the second half decided that they were going to call touch fouls on Georgetown and let St. John's get away with everything. Pathetic. Seriously if they call it the same on both sides the Hoyas win by 20. The student turnout was a joke, but I think we've been spoiled by the post Final Four years. Wihtout huge success b-ball just isn't a big deal. Unfortunately, it might be time to go back to students behind just one hoop. Now, the non-student turnout? I thought that was pretty good. How is being in the top 15 not "huge success" though? This team is a giant success story, and the students don't seem to care this year. That's on the students - there were bigger students crowds to some of these games in the Esherick era. Time to stop blaming the team and start blaming the current bandwagon student populace that doesn't care whatsoever but manages to combine that with the sense of entitlement of a Duke student from New Jersey who think they are owed 3 Final Fours during their four years. If the team exits the tournament early, I guarantee we see more of the "needs to be held responsible" and "history of excellence" crap that we read last year at the end of the year in The Hoya.
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