AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 17, 2012 21:11:25 GMT -5
Wonder how much the 48 hour turn around from the Garden to Chicago played in the poor free throw shooting
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Post by KennaHoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:12:52 GMT -5
When you replace your point guard with two 6'8" plus freshman forwards essentially, you are going to turn the ball over more, especially the way Depaul played the game in the second half. But you also should hammer them on the boards. And they did.
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 17, 2012 21:12:58 GMT -5
The little things need to be cleaned up, whenever we can close the door on a team..there's a TO at half court, a lane violation, an offensive foul, giving up a 3pt play...you name it.
So, I'm not worried about monumental defensive collapses killing this group or a cold shooting night like recent teams, but if we can just clean up that stuff..it could really make this team so much. Probably should have been a 25pt win.
I will say, DePaul is not nearly as bad as they have been in recent years and any road win is a good one (especially a sweep of a Sunday/Tuesday turnaround on the road). They did make some shots to make sure it never totally got away from them.
good to get a few days off and work on some things and hopefully get a healthy Markel back out there.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 17, 2012 21:13:41 GMT -5
Jabril doesn't "act" tough. He is tough.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:14:58 GMT -5
Sweets
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 17, 2012 21:16:17 GMT -5
absolutely a great game in every phase by Clark. if the remainder of the team plays like this on sat we lose. I don't know about that. The only reason DePaul stayed in that game was because they continue to play hard under Purnell. They pressed us about as much as any team ever has, even when the game wasn't in doubt. Had they just conceded like most teams do, we would have won a big east road game by 15, instead of 8.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 17, 2012 21:18:48 GMT -5
For getting barely any rebounds, Depaul managed to take a lot of shots. We out-rebounded them by 25 but took 7 less shots.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2012 21:19:23 GMT -5
2 Big East road wins in 3 days. A strong accomplishment this year no matter who the opponents. Well done Hoyas. Now for some work in practice.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 17, 2012 21:23:58 GMT -5
good game no markel hopes hes ok looked like he was under the weather there.. otto had 15 REBBIES WHICH I DONT THINK THE ANNOUNCERS EVER MENTIONED 15 WOWOOWOWO and we outrebbied em 43-18 won the game on the boards we too many turnovers.. depaul not bad toughd at times. jason yeah career high 31 just great all around game. hmm shot 52% fg 53% from three adn 57 from foul line and MOST OF THOSE THANKS BE TO GOD IN LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES but OTTOMATIC 15 REBBIES THE GAME FOLKS THE GAME.. best rutgers next must game MUST WIN AND THEY AINT BAD beat florida member no gimmes in the big east. go hoyas ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 17, 2012 21:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 17, 2012 21:27:55 GMT -5
We had 18 turnover and only 4 of them were from Hollis and Jason. It was an unusual game because of no Markel, but still, you can't be giving up 12-14 turnovers from your forwards. That's just carelessness. This team can be great if it just cleans that up. We shot 54 percent from 2, 53 from 3, and had 43-18 rebounding advantage. Just gotta clean up TOs. The free throws seem like a fluky thing to me.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:28:56 GMT -5
When you replace your point guard with two 6'8" plus freshman forwards essentially, you are going to turn the ball over more, especially the way Depaul played the game in the second half. But you also should hammer them on the boards. And they did. We had roughly the same amount of turnovers as we have been having in other games lately. 18 in this game. 17, 15, 17 (in the Marquette, West Virginia and Cincinnati games)
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 17, 2012 21:29:07 GMT -5
Can't complain about this win at all.
Dan is right: We lose this game last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.
Alot of things to clean up. But playing a pressing team without your starting point guard isn't easy at all
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:29:28 GMT -5
That "concussion" has worked it's way into the stomach!
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:31:20 GMT -5
Have to say, that was probably the best Depaul team we've seen in years. Usually they can't hit anything from the perimeter even if they are open. But they have a couple of guys who can do damage if you leave them unguarded now. Also, they are pretty active on defense now. They may hack a lot (and they got away with a considerable amount of it tonight), but they're certainly no longer passive, and that's a positive for them.
I'd buy the short turnaround/traveling excuse for the poor FT shooting if it only happened towards the end when you'd assume our guys would start to lose their legs. They can't go 3 for 10 or whatever they shot in the 1st half, though. You can tell guys just aren't confident now (even Clark and Hollis) when they step up to the line, and it's becoming a mental issue. Saunders even pointed this out after Clark finally hit one at the stripe, saying he saw Jason breath a sigh of relief that he finally got one to go down. It's a team-wide problem that needs to be corrected.
Re: turnovers: I understand we didn't have Markel, but JTIII has to make some type of adjustment where he isn't relying on Porter to be the primary ball handler against pressure. That cost us numerous times, and it's really not Otto's fault. As shaky of a ball handler as he's been in the past, the responsibility has to go to Jason to break pressure and make the correct pass to advance the ball. Not Otto.
Fantastic job on the boards today by just about everyone. Along with Jason's stellar shooting, this was the difference in the game, and without it we would've lost this game due to our FT shooting. I really like the way Otto and Greg attack the ball on rebounds, and I thought Nate had a pretty decent night tonight too (drew at least one charge and got screwed on another charge where he didn't get the call). Need to keep it up.
One last thing I didn't like: I thought our defensive intensity dropped in the last 2-3 minutes of the game. We gave up a lot of easy uncontested baskets or fouled people to allow them to score with the clock stopped. Against a team like Depaul that gives up easy baskets when their press is broken, we managed to be OK tonight. But, that can't happen when we are trying to protect a late lead against a quality opponent. And it especially can't happen if we can't get our act together from the line sooner than later.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 17, 2012 21:32:00 GMT -5
When you replace your point guard with two 6'8" plus freshman forwards essentially, you are going to turn the ball over more, especially the way Depaul played the game in the second half. But you also should hammer them on the boards. And they did. We had roughly the same amount of turnovers as we have been having in other games lately. 18 in this game. 17, 15, 17 (in the Marquette, West Virginia and Cincinnati games) Yeah, but Otto had 5, and a lot of that was from handling the ball when he otherwise wouldn't. Different TO game, IMO. But, still, it's out biggest problem, I agree.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 17, 2012 21:32:38 GMT -5
These are the kind of games (incl. Rutgers) you just need to put in the bank and move on. The games of Jan. 28-Feb. 1 Pitt-Connecticut stands as a problematic series because Pitt is due for a turnaround and UConn is underrated.
Impressed by DePaul's individual pieces, though. If Purnell can get a PG to go along with Melvin, Young, and Morgan (and some better rebounding), they've got something there.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:33:48 GMT -5
Re: turnovers: some type of adjustment where he isn't relying on Porter to be the primary ball handler against pressure. That cost us numerous times, and it's really not Otto's fault. As shaky of a ball handler as he's been in the past, the responsibility has to go to Jason to break pressure and make the correct pass to advance the ball. Not Otto. . Just a minor point but we also have trouble inbounding the ball on the offensive end in other games. DePaul was very effective in inbounding the ball by keeping one guy past half court for a bailout pass. They did this numerous times during this game.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 17, 2012 21:34:17 GMT -5
We've still never lost to DePaul in the big east, right?
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 17, 2012 21:39:35 GMT -5
DePaul was taught the fundamentals and executed them. Next they need to learn how to run a real offense. Let's see if Oliver egts a chance to make them a contender.
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