Filo
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Post by Filo on Jan 15, 2012 22:20:15 GMT -5
I printed this thread out for later, when my insomnia kicks in. Thanks in advance, fellas.
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Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Jan 15, 2012 22:22:10 GMT -5
Fwiw I graduated from EHS in 90. Was a four year student. Kids reclassified ALL the time - kids from DMV, kids from Georgia - and these kids were usually not athletes. The school has a history of taking students from diverse backgrounds (was the first school to take soviet exchange students during the glasnost period). Dog you seem to be trying to make something out of nothing. Begs the question what's your beef with episcopal? I'm not saying the place is perfect (nearly so ) but to try to paint it as some sort of athletic mill just makes no sense
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 15, 2012 22:48:09 GMT -5
I printed this thread out for later, when my insomnia kicks in. Thanks in advance, fellas. Yes, this thread has made it's way so far from any relevance to Georgetown (not that it originally had much relevance to Georgetown, anyway). Mostly my fault. I'm all for a thread delete here.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Jan 16, 2012 0:19:45 GMT -5
I meant ONE by the fact that NOBODY else has reclassified at EHS. He is the only person to do so that you can name. Wait...so youre meaning to tell me that no other school reclassifies kids? give me a break EHS doesnt do anything out of the ordinary. And it isnt recruiting. These kids are itching to get to the US and make a name for themselves. Fortunately for EHS that is probably the only school the majority of these kids have ever heard of. Its still up to their families to make the best decision for them. EHS is one of four all boarding schools in the nation, and that, naturally, makes it an easy destination for many. I just dont see how its recruiting for a family to be exposed to and informed of a potential option and them acting to get their kid in. Its their decision which school they should attend. If you grew up in the DMV and wanted to go to an IAC school you could pick which best suits your situation. But for programs like Basketball Without Borders, these families only know one option, and that is EHS. EHS uses a consultant to identify talented players in Africa and bring them to EHS. That is recruiting. Plain and simple. This is a losing argument for you. I know kids that have come through Basketball Without Borders and they recruit their friends back home personally. Pretty much every single one of those athletes in question knew each other before arriving at EHS, so idk where you got your info. Joe Toumou has a personal relationship with Jim Fitzpatrick (head bball coach) and his relationship is similar to however we found out about Otto (I just forget the story). I'm not saying your completely wrong, but I also know Tuomou to be somewhat family with Arnaud Moto in this case. But I agree, we have taken this thread too far. Let's just agree to disagree.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 16, 2012 9:18:03 GMT -5
I'm so glad these fans care so much about the program that on a Sunday where GU goes in to the Garden and beats St. Johns (the one in NYC, not the one in NW DC) by 20, these "fans" spend the day going back and forth on this thread.
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Post by Massholya on Jan 16, 2012 11:08:49 GMT -5
I'm so glad these fans care so much about the program that on a Sunday where GU goes in to the Garden and beats St. Johns (the one in NYC, not the one in NW DC) by 20, these "fans" spend the day going back and forth on this thread. Says the guy who posts in this thread. Oh that we can all someday reach your level of "fandom"
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Post by kchoya on Jan 17, 2012 13:33:22 GMT -5
I'm so glad these fans care so much about the program that on a Sunday where GU goes in to the Garden and beats St. Johns (the one in NYC, not the one in NW DC) by 20, these "fans" spend the day going back and forth on this thread. Says the guy who posts in this thread. Oh that we can all someday reach your level of "fandom" Except I didn't post on Sunday. Some people are too obsessed about the next big recruit to enjoy the success of the current team.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 17, 2012 13:34:30 GMT -5
Says the guy who posts in this thread. Oh that we can all someday reach your level of "fandom" Except I didn't post on Sunday. Some people are too obsessed about the next big recruit to enjoy the success of the current team. I didn't even watch the SJU game. I was too obsessed with winning an internet argument.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 17, 2012 13:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 24, 2012 9:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 31, 2012 8:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 7, 2012 9:27:55 GMT -5
Week 8 All-Met rather inexplicably (which would be a better name for this weekly listing I've decided) moves talk board favorite (NOT!)/theoretical Hoya recruit DeMatha's Beejay Anya from Honorable Mention onto First Team after decent showings last week against one woeful and one mediocre team; teammate James Robinson onto second team with similar weekly vitae. Gonzaga's Kris Jenkins (another theoretical recruit subject to a very lively thread around these parts) back onto First Team. As pointed out in his own thread here, Sidwell's Josh Hart/likely Hoya class of '17 gets dropped entirely from even HM after being First Team before a sprain held him out a few games (REALLY, Josh Barr, REALLY??). Link to Week 8 below -- and bonus link to USA Today top 25 teams nationally out this AM, with Oak Hill/Hoya signee Smith-Rivera getting some love in the #1 spot/35-0 (DSR averaging 30 in three games last week) and Paul VI moving up to # 12 in nation (huge showdown game at Gonzaga Sunday, pitting area 1 v. 2). www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/highschools/2011-12/all-met-watch/basketball/week-8/www.highschoolsports.net/super25/bbasketball/
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 13, 2012 18:45:28 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 20:34:18 GMT -5
I don't get how Arnaud Moto is on there but Hart is not.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 14, 2012 10:08:39 GMT -5
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion, even if (as I think is likely the case) you haven't seen Arnaud play lately (the fact that EHS hasn't lost an IAC game with Arnaud in the line-up in two years does give a bit of a clue of his talent). But I haven't seen Hart play at all, so have nothing to compare one way or another --- just like I haven't seen any of the three public school guards on the first and second teams who maybe Josh should be in front of instead, too (and yet Arnaud is the guy you go after? Hmmm . . .) But EHS does have some good games coming up (Friday at EHS in IAC semis; at Prep the next night in either consolation or championship; Sleepy Thompson tourney at St.Stephens/St. Agnes the next Thursday/Friday/Saturday), so if you want to avoid another of those Sidwell vs. GDS thrillers I know you recently really loved, maybe take a trip to the mean streets of Northern VA and see for yourself. I know I am looking forward to finally seeing Hart play, and hoping he is all that and will be another valuable local add to the Hilltop . ..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 14, 2012 11:23:54 GMT -5
I haven't seen Arnaud play lately, but I've seen him play before. I've seen Morman and all of the private school guys on the list too.
I'm not challenging Arnaud's talent, I'm just confused by the Post's criteria. I just figure that if they're going to put Savage on the first team, they're giving him a lot of credit for Episcopal's success, significantly moreso than Arnaud. And I think you'd agree that Arnaud hasn't played as well this year as he did last year (maybe because he's getting more help from Chappell and Savage, he hasn't needed to). And as a result, he also doesn't have the numbers to put him up there on the second team, which also seems to be one of the criteria, I guess?
So it doesn't seem that Arnaud would have the argument for either having better numbers or being more valuable to his team. Do you see what I'm saying? That's why I picked Arnaud, as one of only three second teamers with first team teammates. And you know they're going to include Britt on there, and Carrera seems like a throw in.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 14, 2012 12:11:26 GMT -5
I'm with you completely on the criteria being hard to figure -- but I think here the argument is that even though his numbers may not be what they were last year because teammates have stepped up (and I"m not even sure that is the case regarding rebounding), his value/performance has still been immense in terms of big time rebouding/tough hoops and defense when they need them (and far better control/shot selection over the past month). And I'm sure it wasn't lost on Josh Barr that EHS beat Bullis without Savage a month ago, yet lost to Landon without Arnaud (still think they got the relative performance of the two right though -- but there are guys like Chappell who can step in for Savage, but Arnuad the irreplacable downlow force). So why not take out what you call the "thrown in" Carrera from the second team? But what the heck, at the end of the day, doesn't really matter much -- we can agree the selection week-in/week-out is just odd, and the final team in April may be just as strange (though I'm betting a Dematha guy or two leap back in in ways that will aggravate both of us no end . . .)
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 14, 2012 12:23:11 GMT -5
I'm with you completely on the criteria being hard to figure -- but I think here the argument is that even though his numbers may not be what they were last year because teammates have stepped up (and I"m not even sure that is the case regarding rebounding), his value/performance has still been immense in terms of big time rebouding/tough hoops and defense when they need them (and far better control/shot selection over the past month). And I'm sure it wasn't lost on Josh Barr that EHS beat Bullis without Savage a month ago, yet lost to Landon without Arnaud (still think they got the relative performance of the two right though -- but there are guys like Chappell who can step in for Savage, but Arnuad the irreplacable downlow force). So why not take out what you call the "thrown in" Carrera from the second team? But what the heck, at the end of the day, doesn't really matter much -- we can agree the selection week-in/week-out is just odd, and the final team in April may be just as strange (though I'm betting a Dematha guy or two leap back in in ways that will aggravate both of us no end . . .) I think I was just resigned to the Montrose and Gonzaga throw ins because they are higher ranked teams.
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