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Post by bmartin on Apr 25, 2015 13:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by zxhoya on Apr 25, 2015 14:35:17 GMT -5
So should Randy Wittman be praised or chided for bringing Otto along at a slower pace than many of us Hoya fans wished. Is Otto a better player for having to wait a little on a good team with veteran players whom he could learn from? Would Otto have been better served playing heavy minutes from day 1 or being drafted by a team that's lacking talent?
I think Randy has done a good job with Otto in the end and it's obvious now that Randy not only trust him but needs him for his team to be successful.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2015 15:47:43 GMT -5
So should Randy Wittman be praised or chided for bringing Otto along at a slower pace than many of us Hoya fans wished. Is Otto a better player for having to wait a little on a good team with veteran players whom he could learn from? Would Otto have been better served playing heavy minutes from day 1 or being drafted by a team that's lacking talent? I think Randy has done a good job with Otto in the end and it's obvious now that Randy not only trust him but needs him for his team to be successful. Wrong. Wittman has done a horrible job handling Otto.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 25, 2015 16:36:06 GMT -5
I am amazed by those who KNOW the answer as to whether Otto was handled properly. I've been around the game a long time, and I do not KNOW the answer. But , either way,what matters is that he is clearly arriving as a legit NBA glue guy. Very proud of him.
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Post by deacon on Apr 25, 2015 16:45:50 GMT -5
So should Randy Wittman be praised or chided for bringing Otto along at a slower pace than many of us Hoya fans wished. Is Otto a better player for having to wait a little on a good team with veteran players whom he could learn from? Would Otto have been better served playing heavy minutes from day 1 or being drafted by a team that's lacking talent? I think Randy has done a good job with Otto in the end and it's obvious now that Randy not only trust him but needs him for his team to be successful. The fact that a large number of people seem to be surprised by what Otto is doing right now really tells you all you need to know about how the Wizards have developed him as a player. He's always had the tools, but a coach with too short of a leash for a player critical to this team's short and long-term success. It's almost like Wittman had no idea what kind of player Otto was and instead of just letting him play and find ways to contribute while he found his groove offensively, the second Otto would miss two shots in a row, he would get yanked in favor of ... Martell Webster?!?! Wittman is a known boob but he isn't going anywhere. I just hope the leash is off of Otto for good.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2015 20:34:15 GMT -5
Strange what will happen when you let a talented guy get some guaranteed minutes. He's what he always has been and has adjusted to the faster pace. He's only going to continue to get better. His 2 3's were huge at the time. Of course, only to be crapped on by Wall dribbling out and shooting a 34' 3 without a legit pass to anyone and then Pierce doing Pierce things for which almost everyone both hates him and respects him. That wasted possession after Otto's second three, Otto deserved the ball. If he hits a third 3 there, the game changes dramatically and Otto's confidence skyrockets because the game would have been, for all intents and purposes, over. Instead, Wall dribbles out the shot clock and jacks a stupid shot. The Wiz still do much of that bone-headed crap. That said, I was happy to see Otto knock down big, big shots in the 4th. The fact that the commentators sounded surprised is very telling. I see your point Tas, but there is a pecking order on this team and others. Wall and Pierce are going to take and get credit for those game winning / game changing shots. We know Otto's threes were key, but he'll have to wait his turn. He's certainly a crowd favorite and his day will come. Maybe a lot sooner than anyone thinks. I don't disagree. And Pierce's shots were absolute daggers.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2015 20:35:57 GMT -5
I have to really disagree that Wall has a lot of bad possessions. Sure, that was one, but he does a good job of managing the offense and getting decent looks. Agree to disagree. For a guy with the tools that he possesses already, his decision making is not on par with his other skills. I don't mean that he's bad. Only that his ceiling is so high that I guess I expect more from him somehow in that regard.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2015 20:38:10 GMT -5
Odd comment. I didn't even hint that Wall sucks. Only that it was a horrible possession and shot. He does that a lot actually. He's been in the league long enough to not have possessions like the one I referenced. You're up 10 in the 4th and you're the franchise player you can take at least one bad shot, imo. He was much more concerned with milking the clock than actually scoring. Run the clock. That's fine. But get a shot or, at a minimum, feed the hot hand. Otto isn't remotely option 1 in their offense and he shouldn't be. But he was open with the clock winding down and Wall wasn't even looking to pass. On a related note, a ten point lead for that team means little. Did you see how quickly they coughed up leads? And it's not because the Raptors are an offensive juggernaut.
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Post by zxhoya on Apr 25, 2015 20:57:29 GMT -5
So should Randy Wittman be praised or chided for bringing Otto along at a slower pace than many of us Hoya fans wished. Is Otto a better player for having to wait a little on a good team with veteran players whom he could learn from? Would Otto have been better served playing heavy minutes from day 1 or being drafted by a team that's lacking talent? I think Randy has done a good job with Otto in the end and it's obvious now that Randy not only trust him but needs him for his team to be successful. The fact that a large number of people seem to be surprised by what Otto is doing right now really tells you all you need to know about how the Wizards have developed him as a player. He's always had the tools, but a coach with too short of a leash for a player critical to this team's short and long-term success. It's almost like Wittman had no idea what kind of player Otto was and instead of just letting him play and find ways to contribute while he found his groove offensively, the second Otto would miss two shots in a row, he would get yanked in favor of ... Martell Webster?!?! Wittman is a known boob but he isn't going anywhere. I just hope the leash is off of Otto for good. So because he was the 3rd overall pick he should get guaranteed minutes (in what I consider his 1st real season)? Did Otto start his 1st season @ GU? Throughout this season you could actually see Otto's body change as he's gotten stronger and it was Rasul Butler who was getting those minutes the 1st half of the season and he was balling and then he hit the wall.
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Post by jorand on Apr 25, 2015 21:33:22 GMT -5
You're up 10 in the 4th and you're the franchise player you can take at least one bad shot, imo. He was much more concerned with milking the clock than actually scoring. Run the clock. That's fine. But get a shot or, at a minimum, feed the hot hand. Otto isn't remotely option 1 in their offense and he shouldn't be. But he was open with the clock winding down and Wall wasn't even looking to pass. On a related note, a ten point lead for that team means little. Did you see how quickly they coughed up leads? And it's not because the Raptors are an offensive juggernaut.The Raptors are very good offensively. Top 5 in most points scored in the 4th quarter, top 10 in scoring etc, Obviously you don't want to see it happen but giving up a lead to a team with that kind of firepower isn't exactly something to be ashamed of.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2015 21:43:53 GMT -5
Run the clock. That's fine. But get a shot or, at a minimum, feed the hot hand. Otto isn't remotely option 1 in their offense and he shouldn't be. But he was open with the clock winding down and Wall wasn't even looking to pass. On a related note, a ten point lead for that team means little. Did you see how quickly they coughed up leads? And it's not because the Raptors are an offensive juggernaut.The Raptors are very good offensively. Top 5 in most points scored in the 4th quarter, top 10 in scoring etc, Obviously you don't want to see it happen but giving up a lead to a team with that kind of firepower isn't exactly something to be ashamed of. Except, of course, they haven't been very good offensively in the playoffs. And they weren't particularly good last night. Who was a problem for Washington outside of DeRozan when the Wiz were attentive on D? Essentially no one.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 25, 2015 22:03:00 GMT -5
The Raptors are very good offensively. Top 5 in most points scored in the 4th quarter, top 10 in scoring etc, Obviously you don't want to see it happen but giving up a lead to a team with that kind of firepower isn't exactly something to be ashamed of. Except, of course, they haven't been very good offensively in the playoffs. And they weren't particularly good last night. Who was a problem for Washington outside of DeRozan when the Wiz were attentive on D? Essentially no one. Are you seriously trying to criticize John Wall's court vision? The dude is a wunderkind at the point and an all-world talent. Just stop now before you embarrass yourself further tas. I like you but you're wrong here. Now, direct those comments to Ramon sessions and you have someone to criticize. I find him missing open shooters all over the floor when he is in the game. But don't try to cut down Wall. Just don't. Kid is phenomenal.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2015 22:09:52 GMT -5
Except, of course, they haven't been very good offensively in the playoffs. And they weren't particularly good last night. Who was a problem for Washington outside of DeRozan when the Wiz were attentive on D? Essentially no one. Are you seriously trying to criticize John Wall's court vision? The dude is a wunderkind at the point and an all-world talent. Just stop now before you embarrass yourself further tas. I like you but you're wrong here. Now, direct those comments to Ramon sessions and you have someone to criticize. I find him missing open shooters all over the floor when he is in the game. But don't try to cut down Wall. Just don't. Kid is phenomenal. When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 25, 2015 22:13:05 GMT -5
Wall cost me $200 in an NCAA pool a few years ago when he went into one of his shooting funks. I believe it was against W. Va. I've been leery of him ever since. Regarding Otto. Forget the 3's. Watching him the last 3 games reminded me of how great he was on D and how he always seemed to be in position to get a crucial defensive rebound. We haven't had anyone like him since. You mean in the two seasons since Otto last played at GU, we haven't had a player worthy of the the #3 pick? I agree. Why KC Hoya , why? Obviously, Otto was way better than anything we've had the last two years. I was only trying to remind everyone that he was more than a scorer and that he played great D and had an uncanny nose for the defensive rebound. Why the snarky comment?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 26, 2015 3:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2015 6:22:04 GMT -5
The fact that a large number of people seem to be surprised by what Otto is doing right now really tells you all you need to know about how the Wizards have developed him as a player. He's always had the tools, but a coach with too short of a leash for a player critical to this team's short and long-term success. It's almost like Wittman had no idea what kind of player Otto was and instead of just letting him play and find ways to contribute while he found his groove offensively, the second Otto would miss two shots in a row, he would get yanked in favor of ... Martell Webster?!?! Wittman is a known boob but he isn't going anywhere. I just hope the leash is off of Otto for good. So because he was the 3rd overall pick he should get guaranteed minutes (in what I consider his 1st real season)? Did Otto start his 1st season @ GU? Throughout this season you could actually see Otto's body change as he's gotten stronger and it was Rasul Butler who was getting those minutes the 1st half of the season and he was balling and then he hit the wall. Yes the 3rd pick should automatically get minutes always. Why pick someone 3rd if you don't think they contribute. You picked 3rd for a reason. You are devoid of talent.
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2015 6:28:57 GMT -5
Wittman offense is susceptible to comebacks, they run 1/4 PnRs all day. When it's a stretch 4 that can hit a 3 with walls speed this offense would be unstoppable but having Nene, Humphries and Drew Gooden shooting long 2 ' s and in Gooden case some 3's teams will take that all day. He is stuck in this you have to have 2 bigs out there mentality. Thankfully Pierce convinced him to go with him at the 4. If they play Atlanta they are going to have to play small again. The 4's that the Wizards have can't recover quick enough on screen and pops and also weakside to cover shooters. That's why the Hawks and the Raptors had owned the Wizards in the regular season. Otto better be playing 35 mins a game in a Hawks series.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 26, 2015 8:21:09 GMT -5
Are you seriously trying to criticize John Wall's court vision? The dude is a wunderkind at the point and an all-world talent. Just stop now before you embarrass yourself further tas. I like you but you're wrong here. Now, direct those comments to Ramon sessions and you have someone to criticize. I find him missing open shooters all over the floor when he is in the game. But don't try to cut down Wall. Just don't. Kid is phenomenal. When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez. I'm with Tas. I think a lot of it is Whitman's lack of coaching. But the play to end regulation in game one where it was just him in isolation one on one and he settled for a jump shot was another example. I don't watch a lot of NBA, but in this series at least there have been several head scratching plays by Wall (Obviously in addition to plenty of brilliant ones).
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 26, 2015 10:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2015 11:15:27 GMT -5
You mean in the two seasons since Otto last played at GU, we haven't had a player worthy of the the #3 pick? I agree. Why KC Hoya , why? Obviously, Otto was way better than anything we've had the last two years. I was only trying to remind everyone that he was more than a scorer and that he played great D and had an uncanny nose for the defensive rebound. Why the snarky comment? Do you read this board? Have you read all the critiques of the players this year and last? Isn't it painfully obvious that most people on here are very vocal that we haven't had anyone like Otto the past two years?
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