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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 2, 2018 18:26:23 GMT -5
Carmelo in New York. And Denver. And Oklahoma City. And Houston . . . Not Denver or early New York....in Houston he is what he is... but he isn't causing any real dissension....imo True I was not really referring to the locker room - just his career as a black hole on offense who plays matador on D.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 2, 2018 19:40:24 GMT -5
Otto Porter off to good start with 6 pts, 3 reb and 2 assists at the end of first quarter. Dwight Howard in the lineup for the first time tonight has 13 for the Wiz who trail 35-30 to OKC.
Wiz now down 79-50 at the half. IOW, game over. Wall and Beal have four TOs each. And they complain about Otto???
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 2, 2018 21:16:26 GMT -5
Otto Porter off to good start with 6 pts, 3 reb and 2 assists at the end of first quarter. Dwight Howard in the lineup for the first time tonight has 13 for the Wiz who trail 35-30 to OKC. Wiz now down 79-50 at the half. IOW, game over. Wall and Beal have four TOs each. And they complain about Otto??? After a good start to the game, OP got Zero run in the 2nd quarter as Brooks went completely with Oubre the last 16 minutes of the first half and wheels completely fell off for the Wiz. Not blaming Oubre as this team has tons of problems. Wall might be one of the worst the defenders in the league. How many times I'd he going to get blown by off the dribble and try that 4th grade slap the ball from behind junk... You can tell that outside Wall and Beal getting along with each other, they have no chemistry with the rest of the roster. The rest of the team has zero chemistry with each other and no one looks like they want to be out on the court. Even after a 19pt first half by Dwight Howard the Wiz, the team was still down 29 at the half. Don't know how Brooks coaches another game for the Wizards. Just a guess but based on how little OP played, you gotta believe a trade is imminent as it seems the organization is looking at how Oubre fits with the starting 5 and don't want to risk an injury to Otto.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 2, 2018 21:24:38 GMT -5
Otto Porter off to good start with 6 pts, 3 reb and 2 assists at the end of first quarter. Dwight Howard in the lineup for the first time tonight has 13 for the Wiz who trail 35-30 to OKC. Wiz now down 79-50 at the half. IOW, game over. Wall and Beal have four TOs each. And they complain about Otto??? After a good start to the game, OP got Zero run in the 2nd quarter as Brooks went completely with Oubre the last 16 minutes of the first half and wheels completely fell off for the Wiz. Not blaming Oubre as this team has tons of problems. You can tell that outside Wall and Beal getting along with each other, they have no chemistry with the rest of the roster. The rest of the team has zero chemistry with each other and no one looks like they want to be out on the court. Even after a 19pt first half by Dwight Howard the Wiz, the team was still down 29 at the half. Don't know how Brooks coaches another game for the Wizards. Just a guess but based on how little OP played, you gotta believe a trade is imminent as it seems the organization is looking at how Oubre fits with the starting 5 and don't want to risk an injury to Otto. Otto went to the locker room with a bruised big toe which is why he was out the remainder of the first half. Brooks has some God awful substitution patterns, went full second unit at the end of the first quarter and that was all she wrote. I highly doubt OP gets traded as I don’t see a team taking on his huge salary given his recent play. We all know he can play better but the product he’s putting out right now isn’t gonna get the job done.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 2, 2018 21:31:52 GMT -5
After a good start to the game, OP got Zero run in the 2nd quarter as Brooks went completely with Oubre the last 16 minutes of the first half and wheels completely fell off for the Wiz. Not blaming Oubre as this team has tons of problems. You can tell that outside Wall and Beal getting along with each other, they have no chemistry with the rest of the roster. The rest of the team has zero chemistry with each other and no one looks like they want to be out on the court. Even after a 19pt first half by Dwight Howard the Wiz, the team was still down 29 at the half. Don't know how Brooks coaches another game for the Wizards. Just a guess but based on how little OP played, you gotta believe a trade is imminent as it seems the organization is looking at how Oubre fits with the starting 5 and don't want to risk an injury to Otto. Otto went to the locker room with a bruised big toe which is why he was out the remainder of the first half. Brooks has some God awful substitution patterns, went full second unit at the end of the first quarter and that was all she wrote. I highly doubt OP gets traded as I don’t see a team taking on his huge salary given his recent play. We all know he can play better but the product he’s putting out right now isn’t gonna get the job done. People around the league can tell OP situation is a team Chemistry issue. I personally think the Wiz should be doing anything and everything to get rid of Wall. Find some team to trade him to for anything they want to give back...
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Post by vv83 on Nov 2, 2018 21:58:36 GMT -5
Nobody is going to take Wall - check out his cap hit for the next four seasons, when his extension kicks on
$37.8 million $40.8 $43.8 $46.8
Nobody in their right mind would take on those four years of salary burden for what Wall brings to the court these days. there is really no way around it - the wizards are screwed for the foreseeable future. Maybe someone who understands NBA salary structure/rules a lot better than my very limited understanding would have a solution- is there any way the Wizards (or any other team) can get out of paying Wall this money over the next 4 seasons? If not - he may well have the worst contract in the league. Even at his best, Wall was not worth anywhere near that kind of money. And I think it is becoming clear based on this season's play that Wall's best days may well be behind him.
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Post by mfk24 on Nov 2, 2018 22:17:29 GMT -5
Otto went to the locker room with a bruised big toe which is why he was out the remainder of the first half. Brooks has some God awful substitution patterns, went full second unit at the end of the first quarter and that was all she wrote. I highly doubt OP gets traded as I don’t see a team taking on his huge salary given his recent play. We all know he can play better but the product he’s putting out right now isn’t gonna get the job done. People around the league can tell OP situation is a team Chemistry issue. I personally think the Wiz should be doing anything and everything to get rid of Wall. Find some team to trade him to for anything they want to give back... Part of it is chemistry no doubt but part of it is Otto too. A great player no doubt but he hit the lottery when the league was handing out max deals and even if he is a guy with max player capability, he’ll never play like one because he struggles to create for himself, he plays within the flow of the offense whether that means he gets 5 shots or 15, whether he’s with the starters or playing with the bench unit. Wall is definitely a problem, he just has a poor basketball IQ, too many turnovers, too many shots, and takes too many plays off defensively but Scott Brooks either allows it or has no control over his team. Either way, he’s the first that needs to go.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 2, 2018 22:28:01 GMT -5
Not Denver or early New York....in Houston he is what he is... but he isn't causing any real dissension....imo True I was not really referring to the locker room - just his career as a black hole on offense who plays matador on D. He was a great scorer but he was never nearly the player he should have been. He always played lazy. Now he's lazy and older. Bad combo.
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Post by boxout05 on Nov 3, 2018 1:26:28 GMT -5
Otto Porter off to good start with 6 pts, 3 reb and 2 assists at the end of first quarter. Dwight Howard in the lineup for the first time tonight has 13 for the Wiz who trail 35-30 to OKC. Wiz now down 79-50 at the half. IOW, game over. Wall and Beal have four TOs each. And they complain about Otto??? If Otto would create his own shot, they wouldn’t have the ball in their hands and wouldn’t turn the ball over. Duh. Didn’t you know they were a better SF away from winking the title last year? They had al the other pieces...
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 3, 2018 6:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Nov 3, 2018 8:03:53 GMT -5
I’m really glad for this discussion. I find the Wizards unwatchable. And I’ve tried this season. I just can’t stand the way they play. I actually enjoyed them last year when Wall was out.
I like Otto and think he can be a super valuable piece for a good team, but I knew the max contract would be an issue for him. He doesn’t create for himself and that is the expectation for the biggest stars. It’s a chemistry buster. And he’s on a bad team. He would have been better off with the Nets (and I really didn’t think that was the role for him either. He needs a good team).
TBH the saddest thing about the Wiz: I don’t think anyone in DC really cares outside the small Wiz fan base. I care because I really don’t have an NBA team to root for (grew up a Knicks fan and probably would have remained so, but you know). But I’m definitely not mad about the Wiz. I shrug because it’s so expected. Meanwhile people get mad about the Nats, really mad about them, but no one cares about The Wiz. That’s irrelevance.
And then there is this take.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2018 10:20:30 GMT -5
I’m really glad for this discussion. I find the Wizards unwatchable. And I’ve tried this season. I just can’t stand the way they play. I actually enjoyed them last year when Wall was out. I like Otto and think he can be a super valuable piece for a good team, but I knew the max contract would be an issue for him. He doesn’t create for himself and that is the expectation for the biggest stars. It’s a chemistry buster. And he’s on a bad team. He would have been better off with the Nets (and I really didn’t think that was the role for him either. He needs a good team). TBH the saddest thing about the Wiz: I don’t think anyone in DC really cares outside the small Wiz fan base. I care because I really don’t have an NBA team to root for (grew up a Knicks fan and probably would have remained so, but you know). But I’m definitely not mad about the Wiz. I shrug because it’s so expected. Meanwhile people get mad about the Nats, really mad about them, but no one cares about The Wiz. That’s irrelevance. And then there is this take. I'm no therapist but jumping off the Knicks sinking ship to the Wizards? Why the self-loathing? I ask because I care.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 3, 2018 10:55:34 GMT -5
This column is right on the money.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 3, 2018 11:14:02 GMT -5
This column is right on the money. Ernie Grunfeld should have been given his walking papers years ago.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 3, 2018 15:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Nov 3, 2018 16:33:59 GMT -5
I'm no therapist but jumping off the Knicks sinking ship to the Wizards? Why the self-loathing? I ask because I care.[/quote] Oh I’ve never been a fan of the Wiz. I just wish they gave me reason to become one. My conversion to DC sports is pretty much otherwise complete, though I suppose that means less because I don’t care much about football.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 3, 2018 22:17:05 GMT -5
Watching Derrickson a little play for Santa Cruz Warriors G League on Facebook Live. He had it rolling early, but point guard Lee has been calling his own number since half.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 3, 2018 23:34:26 GMT -5
I'm no therapist but jumping off the Knicks sinking ship to the Wizards? Why the self-loathing? I ask because I care. Oh I’ve never been a fan of the Wiz. I just wish they gave me reason to become one. My conversion to DC sports is pretty much otherwise complete, though I suppose that means less because I don’t care much about football. [/quote] Come back to the Knicks, they will be better than last year, Fizdale is playing the young guys. They may miss the playoffs by only 1 game this year.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 3, 2018 23:56:42 GMT -5
Watching Derrickson a little play for Santa Cruz Warriors G League on Facebook Live. He had it rolling early, but point guard Lee has been calling his own number since half. Doc finished with 20-3-3 on 7/10 FGM in 30 minutes of action in his first G League game. Made 4/6 from distance. Pretty efficient official start to his pro career...
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