Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 29, 2018 12:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 30, 2018 19:15:16 GMT -5
Jeff Green and Otto Porter starting tonight for the woeful Wizards because Markieff Morris in concussion protocol. When was the last time 2 Hoyas were in the same NBA starting 5? Desperate for a win.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 30, 2018 19:51:29 GMT -5
Jeff Green and Otto Porter starting tonight for the woeful Wizards because Markieff Morris in concussion protocol. When was the last time 2 Hoyas were in the same NBA starting 5? Desperate for a win. Hollis and Henry? That’s the last I can think of.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 30, 2018 20:08:33 GMT -5
Jeff Green and Otto Porter starting tonight for the woeful Wizards because Markieff Morris in concussion protocol. When was the last time 2 Hoyas were in the same NBA starting 5? Desperate for a win. Hollis and Henry? That’s the last I can think of. Good call if Sims started. I can't say I specifically remember but the 76ers were pretty woeful themselves back in then.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 30, 2018 20:14:16 GMT -5
Hollis and Henry? That’s the last I can think of. Good call if Sims started. I can't say I specifically remember but the 76ers were pretty woeful themselves back in then. Yeah, they each started a decent number of games for a couple seasons, and a handful of those games they were both starting together.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 30, 2018 20:20:44 GMT -5
Hollis and Henry? That’s the last I can think of. Good call if Sims started. I can't say I specifically remember but the 76ers were pretty woeful themselves back in then. Sims started 35 games in the 2014-2015 season and Thompson 23. The 2013-2014 season Sims had 25 starts and Thompson 41. Likely a few games they started together.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 1, 2018 8:07:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 8:34:30 GMT -5
Send Otto & every other non roster asset you have (19/21/23 1st rounders) to Minnesota for JButts & Jeff Teague (for money to work). Wizards can try to win now - East is wide open - and Otto can get out of crazy town.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Nov 1, 2018 8:52:44 GMT -5
What a sh*t show.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 1, 2018 9:04:54 GMT -5
Send Otto & every other non roster asset you have (19/21/23 1st rounders) to Minnesota for JButts & Jeff Teague (for money to work). Wizards can try to win now - East is wide open - and Otto can get out of crazy town. Based on Team, roster set up, and chemistry that trade makes no sense. I know money wise it works but in every other aspect it doesn't fix a thing. You think trading Otto for Butler will work? Wall and Butler wouldn't last a season together before that explodes into a worse situation then the current conflicts. OP is professional and says what needs to be said. Butler says what's on his mind. If you could sucker Minnesota into taking Wall and auxiliary pieces like an expiring Morris contract for Butler and Teague. That could work. Here's why... The real issue is Wall. No one on the team seems to really like playing with Wall. Every conflict on the team involves him. That's not a coincidence. You trade him and his awful contract where In a few years he will be making $45 MILLION a year for whatever you can get including a cheap serviceable starting PG and you would see the team immediately improve across the board. Coach Brooks has some plusses as a head Coach. His weaknesses are glaring in a star driven league. He has no idea how to manage star players and foster a cohesive locker room. He struggled/ignored that in OKC and he is doing the same in D.C. In terms of Otto. Coach Pop would make him an All Star level player...
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 1, 2018 12:18:00 GMT -5
"It was widely understood that they were all referring to Porter . . . " I realize that this is heresy here, but does anyone find it interesting that the critical comments came from three teammates, not just the much-derided Wall?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 1, 2018 12:34:48 GMT -5
"It was widely understood that they were all referring to Porter . . . " I realize that this is heresy here, but does anyone find it interesting that the critical comments came from three teammates, not just the much-derided Wall? There are other reports out there that those post game comments were about Oubre who's in his first contract year of his career and wants an Otto like pay day. Only facts that we know for sure is that the Wall/Beal lead team isn't working and in no way is paying Wall more millions per season then his FG% a recipe for future success...
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 1, 2018 12:49:10 GMT -5
"It was widely understood that they were all referring to Porter . . . " I realize that this is heresy here, but does anyone find it interesting that the critical comments came from three teammates, not just the much-derided Wall? There are other reports out there that those post game comments were about Oubre who's in his first contract year of his career and wants an Otto like pay day. Only facts that we know for sure is that the Wall/Beal lead team isn't working and in no way is paying Wall more millions per season then his FG% a recipe for future success... Agreed, but no one is taking on that Wall contract. I'm not disagreeing that he's the issue on the team (just watch the Memphis game), but the reality is that he's staying. Moving Otto is the only route the Wiz have towards change, and the status quo is untenable. Otto would be better off as well, but the options are likely limited to teams who have room for his deal.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 1, 2018 13:01:16 GMT -5
There are other reports out there that those post game comments were about Oubre who's in his first contract year of his career and wants an Otto like pay day. Only facts that we know for sure is that the Wall/Beal lead team isn't working and in no way is paying Wall more millions per season then his FG% a recipe for future success... Agreed, but no one is taking on that Wall contract. I'm not disagreeing that he's the issue on the team (just watch the Memphis game), but the reality is that he's staying. Moving Otto is the only route the Wiz have towards change, and the status quo is untenable. Otto would be better off as well, but the options are likely limited to teams who have room for his deal. Wall's not un tradable this year because he's being paid $19 million. There is always another stupid small market GM out there desperate to make a move. Phoenix would be perfect because the owner just fired their GM because he couldn't find a PG except they don't have any pieces to get back in the trade. If you trade him next season when he is making +$38 million. your most certainly going to have to take on a lot of trash and possibly a couple of bad contracts to move him. For giving Wall his Super Max deal 2 years before he had to, is reason alone to show Grunfeld his Walking papers. Much less all the other poor decisions he has made...
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 1, 2018 13:10:23 GMT -5
Otto an all star? He's an elite catch and shoot guy. But he cannot create offense for himself or anyone else. They needed a 3rd star, they screwed up giving Otto that contract because they needed another star.
Wall has been worth every penny, but he's 28 and that super max doesn't look great. I would trade everyone but Beal. Not a fan of the 1st round pick they used.
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Post by Filo on Nov 1, 2018 16:13:43 GMT -5
"It was widely understood that they were all referring to Porter . . . " I realize that this is heresy here, but does anyone find it interesting that the critical comments came from three teammates, not just the much-derided Wall? There are other reports out there that those post game comments were about Oubre who's in his first contract year of his career and wants an Otto like pay day. Only facts that we know for sure is that the Wall/Beal lead team isn't working and in no way is paying Wall more millions per season then his FG% a recipe for future success... That's interesting. Can't really wrap my head around the idea that the guy who is always getting criticized for not shooting enough is now the villain for complaining that he is not getting his fair share. But it definitely seems like none of the guys are happy with Otto. I assume some of it is simply because he is making more money than everyone else, but there just seems to be more there. I was hoping to get some flavor for those of you in DC that might have more info. He always seemed like the consummate teammate and an overall great guy so it's a bit surprising and disturbing.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 1, 2018 16:41:15 GMT -5
There are other reports out there that those post game comments were about Oubre who's in his first contract year of his career and wants an Otto like pay day. Only facts that we know for sure is that the Wall/Beal lead team isn't working and in no way is paying Wall more millions per season then his FG% a recipe for future success... That's interesting. Can't really wrap my head around the idea that the guy who is always getting criticized for not shooting enough is now the villain for complaining that he is not getting his fair share. But it definitely seems like none of the guys are happy with Otto. I assume some of it is simply because he is making more money than everyone else, but there just seems to be more there. I was hoping to get some flavor for those of you in DC that might have more info. He always seemed like the consummate teammate and an overall great guy so it's a bit surprising and disturbing. My two cents. Aside from the money, I think others are tiring of hearing Brooks and others always saying that Otto plays the game "the right way." Inferentially, the others aren't. My recall was that last season when Wall was out and Satoransky played PG, Otto seemed to flourish. Gortat made that comment "everyone eats" which rankled Wall. It's jealousy that Otto receives attention for decent numbers but not numbers worthy of a Max contract.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 1, 2018 20:43:10 GMT -5
Wall reminds me of Carmelo in New York. Gonna get his, but the team is gonna lose. Blaming others for losses and is a locker room cancer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 2, 2018 15:01:46 GMT -5
Wall reminds me of Carmelo in New York. Gonna get his, but the team is gonna lose. Blaming others for losses and is a locker room cancer. Carmelo in New York. And Denver. And Oklahoma City. And Houston . . .
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 2, 2018 15:54:38 GMT -5
Wall reminds me of Carmelo in New York. Gonna get his, but the team is gonna lose. Blaming others for losses and is a locker room cancer. Carmelo in New York. And Denver. And Oklahoma City. And Houston . . . Not Denver or early New York....in Houston he is what he is... but he isn't causing any real dissension....imo
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