SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 27, 2018 7:02:20 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 28, 2018 15:16:37 GMT -5
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2018 22:16:30 GMT -5
MD is barely recognizable, crazy transformation...
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Post by CountAardvark on Sept 29, 2018 22:26:27 GMT -5
MD is barely recognizable, crazy transformation... Wow, if he keeps up this level of play there's no way he doesn't get at least a two-way signing! I was looking at some warriors boards and they're all very excited about him. So proud of Marcus
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 30, 2018 8:09:19 GMT -5
MD is barely recognizable, crazy transformation... What was it in that clip that you saw that you didn't see at Georgetown last season? His body is somewhat different but all-in-all I find him recognizable as the same dude knocking down jumpers in the Big East. Interesting for a guy that a few on this site were certain was not an NBA-level talent, Derrickson sure has been doing a great job of at least showing he belongs in the conversation for a seat at the table, particularly when you consider he went undrafted.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 30, 2018 9:11:31 GMT -5
MD is barely recognizable, crazy transformation... What was it in that clip that you saw that you didn't see at Georgetown last season? His body is somewhat different but all-in-all I find him recognizable as the same dude knocking down jumpers in the Big East. Interesting for a guy that a few on this site were certain was not an NBA-level talent, Derrickson sure has been doing a great job of at least showing he belongs in the conversation for a seat at the table, particularly when you consider he went undrafted. It keeps in line with their narrative that MD should have come back if the only way he is succeeding is because of some transformation. I said from the beginning when you can shoot like Marcus, you have a chance at the L....
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 30, 2018 10:30:31 GMT -5
MD is barely recognizable, crazy transformation... What was it in that clip that you saw that you didn't see at Georgetown last season? His body is somewhat different but all-in-all I find him recognizable as the same dude knocking down jumpers in the Big East. Interesting for a guy that a few on this site were certain was not an NBA-level talent, Derrickson sure has been doing a great job of at least showing he belongs in the conversation for a seat at the table, particularly when you consider he went undrafted. That somewhat difference in his body looks to have made a big difference in how he physically moves now, that was always the big knock on MD...
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Post by saxagael on Sept 30, 2018 20:21:19 GMT -5
What was it in that clip that you saw that you didn't see at Georgetown last season? His body is somewhat different but all-in-all I find him recognizable as the same dude knocking down jumpers in the Big East. Interesting for a guy that a few on this site were certain was not an NBA-level talent, Derrickson sure has been doing a great job of at least showing he belongs in the conversation for a seat at the table, particularly when you consider he went undrafted. It keeps in line with their narrative that MD should have come back if the only way he is succeeding is because of some transformation. I said from the beginning when you can shoot like Marcus, you have a chance at the L.... Indeed! Shooting is something most teams in the NBA look for and the ability to pass well and defend. MD was often having to cover for Govan on defense which would have him out of position on his own man at times, but MD defends really well with his feet and has + wingspan, and that always helps. MD isn't necessarily fast, but he has good lateral movement and can get up. He has really solid basketball IQ, which seems to pair well on teams like the Warriors who pass and manufacture mismatches through movement, passing, and ability to shoot from outside. Boston plays a similar game. MD seems like he has good chemistry with the starters off the court, which is a really good thing. I hope he sticks or up back up soon after pre-season.
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Post by CountAardvark on Sept 30, 2018 21:02:57 GMT -5
It keeps in line with their narrative that MD should have come back if the only way he is succeeding is because of some transformation. I said from the beginning when you can shoot like Marcus, you have a chance at the L.... Indeed! Shooting is something most teams in the NBA look for and the ability to pass well and defend. MD was often having to cover for Govan on defense which would have him out of position on his own man at times, but MD defends really well with his feet and has + wingspan, and that always helps. MD isn't necessarily fast, but he has good lateral movement and can get up. He has really solid basketball IQ, which seems to pair well on teams like the Warriors who pass and manufacture mismatches through movement, passing, and ability to shoot from outside. Boston plays a similar game. MD seems like he has good chemistry with the starters off the court, which is a really good thing. I hope he sticks or up back up soon after pre-season. The idea of Marcus hanging around and practicing with the likes of Steph Curry and Kevin Durant blows my mind...I stood behind him in the lunch line just last semester, lol. Can't imagine how it feels to be playing around legends of that caliber.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 1, 2018 9:32:57 GMT -5
What was it in that clip that you saw that you didn't see at Georgetown last season? His body is somewhat different but all-in-all I find him recognizable as the same dude knocking down jumpers in the Big East. Interesting for a guy that a few on this site were certain was not an NBA-level talent, Derrickson sure has been doing a great job of at least showing he belongs in the conversation for a seat at the table, particularly when you consider he went undrafted. That somewhat difference in his body looks to have made a big difference in how he physically moves now, that was always the big knock on MD... His movement looks no different IMO. Same form on his postups, stepbacks and faceup jumpers. Only difference is that now since he is making the shots over actual NBA players or legit NBA prospects, some can finally visualize him doing it comparably well if he makes an NBA team. Seeing is believing to certain folks, it wipes out doubt. But I don't know why the doubt was so strong in the first place. There's a guy who works for the local DC sports talk radio station who is a Maryland graduate and a huge Terp fan who sometimes can be admittedly a little dismissive of all things Hoyas. But even he was claiming Derrickson as a legit NBA player back in early February. Maybe that distance from the program and not categorizing all of Derrickson's flaws allowed him to come to such a conclusion. Don't get me wrong. Obviously his physique is better in a manner that will allow him to play effectively in an NBA lineup. But its not as if he is playing in a manner we're unfamiliar with.
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Post by chep3 on Oct 1, 2018 10:27:27 GMT -5
That somewhat difference in his body looks to have made a big difference in how he physically moves now, that was always the big knock on MD... His movement looks no different IMO. Same form on his postups, stepbacks and faceup jumpers. Only difference is that now since he is making the shots over actual NBA players or legit NBA prospects, some can finally visualize him doing it comparably well if he makes an NBA team. Seeing is believing to certain folks, it wipes out doubt. But I don't know why the doubt was so strong in the first place. There's a guy who works for the local DC sports talk radio station who is a Maryland graduate and a huge Terp fan who sometimes can be admittedly a little dismissive of all things Hoyas. But even he was claiming Derrickson as a legit NBA player back in early February. Maybe that distance from the program and not categorizing all of Derrickson's flaws allowed him to come to such a conclusion. Don't get me wrong. Obviously his physique is better in a manner that will allow him to play effectively in an NBA lineup. But its not as if he is playing in a manner we're unfamiliar with. Speaking for myself, I didn't have any doubt that he could play offense at the highest level. But I wasn't sure who he would be able to guard in the NBA. That still remains somewhat of an open question, but obviously the changed physique coupled with his wingspan and understanding of the game suggest he will be able to hang well enough to compete on that end.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 1, 2018 10:45:01 GMT -5
Love Marcus, but also doubted his NBA viability because he wouldn't be able to defend and lacked hops or great athleticism. He lost 25 lbs and has been working on his jumping extensively over the past several months and now seems in line for a two way contract. Will be awesome if it happens. But those who doubted his NBA potential weren't haters...this would not have happened without the body transformation ( at least according to his reps, whom i run into on occasion.) And getting a two way deal is still not quite playing in the league...so we still gotta keep out fingers crossed that he can make the jump to actual regular roster player.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 1, 2018 11:34:04 GMT -5
Agree, that the Georgetown Marcus would not be considered for a contract. He did what he needed to be considered. Hats off to him.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 1, 2018 12:26:56 GMT -5
This is not about his body at Gtown. This is about observing his skill level and determining if he had a shot at making the pros after going through a body reprogramming that most draft prospects go through. A lot of people here couldn't perceive anything he could do to make himself more physically compatible to the NBA and thus shut the door on any possibility of an NBA career, and to be honest probably didn't foresee him even making it this far.
Derrickson improved his physique of course. But he still lacks explosion and isn't the ideal height for his position. What allows him to be on the cusp of making a roster is his skill at shooting the ball, something he displayed greatly last season at Georgetown. His new physique is an added and necessary complimentary piece but there are other dudes out there with better, taller, faster and more athletic bodies who didn't get invited to camps because they lacked the shooting ability Derrickson possesses. That shooting ability meant he always had a small chance at least of playing at the next level.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 1, 2018 12:48:09 GMT -5
This is not about his body at Gtown. This is about observing his skill level and determining if he had a shot at making the pros after going through a body reprogramming that most draft prospects go through. A lot of people here couldn't perceive anything he could do to make himself more physically compatible to the NBA and thus shut the door on any possibility of an NBA career, and to be honest probably didn't foresee him even making it this far. Derrickson improved his physique of course. But he still lacks explosion and isn't the ideal height for his position. What allows him to be on the cusp of making a roster is his skill at shooting the ball, something he displayed greatly last season at Georgetown. His new physique is an added and necessary complimentary piece but there are other dudes out there with better, taller, faster and more athletic bodies who didn't get invited to camps because they lacked the shooting ability Derrickson possesses. That shooting ability meant he always had a small chance at least of playing at the next level. So you think MD would be in this spot even if he didn't get remake his body? Imo changing his physique allows him to be a step or two or three quicker, which minimizes his defensive liabilities and that in turn allows his offensive abilities to shine even brighter.. Brunson was/is more skilled than 90% of the players picked ahead of him but physically he's behind almost all of them..
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Post by iowa80 on Oct 1, 2018 13:17:19 GMT -5
Let's also not forget that MD's greatest asset is the Warriors' greatest (only?) liability--shooting off the bench. It's a VG fit thanks to his dedication and the Warriors' smarts.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 1, 2018 14:52:22 GMT -5
I think what MCI is saying - especially with his reference to Marcus's physical improvement as "necessary" - is that his range is his biggest strength, without which he doesn't even get consideration; however without the improvements in conditioning including strength and agility, that look would have been brief. Without the combination, Doc would not have made it this far, and of course we (or at least I) had no idea whether he could make the necessary physical jump to couple with his perimeter game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 1, 2018 15:25:36 GMT -5
This is not about his body at Gtown. This is about observing his skill level and determining if he had a shot at making the pros after going through a body reprogramming that most draft prospects go through. A lot of people here couldn't perceive anything he could do to make himself more physically compatible to the NBA and thus shut the door on any possibility of an NBA career, and to be honest probably didn't foresee him even making it this far. Derrickson improved his physique of course. But he still lacks explosion and isn't the ideal height for his position. What allows him to be on the cusp of making a roster is his skill at shooting the ball, something he displayed greatly last season at Georgetown. His new physique is an added and necessary complimentary piece but there are other dudes out there with better, taller, faster and more athletic bodies who didn't get invited to camps because they lacked the shooting ability Derrickson possesses. That shooting ability meant he always had a small chance at least of playing at the next level. So you think MD would be in this spot even if he didn't get remake his body? Any person who plays a high level of sports like Derrickson can make further improvements to their bodies. It's a lot tougher to acquire the shooting skills Derrickson possesses. He looks more like an NBA guy with the slimmed down body that NBA teams prefer these days. But he is never drawing a lick of interest without his ability to stretch the floor with his scoring. I have not seen enough of Derrickson in the NBA to determine if he is any quicker or more explosive. But I can definitely see that his most valued asset, his shooting, is still on point.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 1, 2018 15:29:37 GMT -5
I think what MCI is saying - especially with his reference to Marcus's physical improvement as "necessary" - is that his range is his biggest strength, without which he doesn't even get consideration; however without the improvements in conditioning including strength and agility, that look would have been brief. Without the combination, Doc would not have made it this far, and of course we (or at least I) had no idea whether he could make the necessary physical jump to couple with his perimeter game. Close enough. We still don't know if he'll make any team and if failure to do so would be the result of his athleticism level. However what makes him a legit prospect is his shooting skill which we as Hoya fans were witnesses of.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 3, 2018 7:50:25 GMT -5
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