Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 9, 2017 23:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 10, 2017 9:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 10, 2017 9:45:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 12:54:22 GMT -5
NYT: Otto Porter is Playing Like an All-Star The fifth-year man for the Wizards is averaging career highs across the board: 18 points (up from 13), rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, plus a .573 shooting percentage and .524 from 3 points.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 10, 2017 14:31:15 GMT -5
In their loss last night L.James had 33 points and a +5, Jeff had 27 points and a +8. Seems like Jeff has +/- points better than James overall this year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 10, 2017 17:13:38 GMT -5
This compulsion with people constantly pointing out Jeff's better plus numbers over LeBron's has perhaps gotten a bit out of hand. Unless you think it suggests Jeff is a superior player, and I don't think anyone here really thinks that, what is the point of bringing it up? Jeff is coming off the bench which means he is typically going against the opponents' bench players too. LeBron faces the starters. Jeff deserves credit for being very productive when he is on the court, he has gotten off to a great start. But you can't seriously compare his output or his point differential to LeBron's.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 10, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -5
This compulsion with people constantly pointing out Jeff's better plus numbers over LeBron's has perhaps gotten a bit out of hand. Unless you think it suggests Jeff is a superior player, and I don't think anyone here really thinks that, what is the point of bringing it up? Jeff is coming off the bench which means he is typically going against the opponents' bench players too. LeBron faces the starters. Jeff deserves credit for being very productive when he is on the court, he has gotten off to a great start. But you can't seriously compare his output or his point differential to LeBron's. Fully agreed, but, at least last night, Jeff played a lot of first unit minutes. Due to Love's foul troubles, he even played some center--and actually had Harden on switches with decent results. The fly in the ointment was that Houston absolutely destroyed the Cavs on the offensive glass in the fourth quarter when Jeff and four others including Lebron were on the court.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 10, 2017 18:04:55 GMT -5
This compulsion with people constantly pointing out Jeff's better plus numbers over LeBron's has perhaps gotten a bit out of hand. Unless you think it suggests Jeff is a superior player, and I don't think anyone here really thinks that, what is the point of bringing it up? Jeff is coming off the bench which means he is typically going against the opponents' bench players too. LeBron faces the starters. Jeff deserves credit for being very productive when he is on the court, he has gotten off to a great start. But you can't seriously compare his output or his point differential to LeBron's. It seems to me that Wade is hurting them. And that there is a compelling argument to give more minutes to Jeff over Wade or even Crowder. That can be done by shifting Lebron to point guard etc.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 10, 2017 18:10:59 GMT -5
I hate plus minus. It's useful for lineups, not individuals.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 13, 2017 15:31:30 GMT -5
Tom Boswell's weekly online chat on Otto in response to a question on the Wiz:
They were wise to lock up Otto Porter -- everybody knew they would, but it was still the right move -- because, once again, he just keeps improving every year. And improving all across his game. Five straight years of High-Pick-Flop-to-Okay-to-Pretty-Good-Player to Darn-Good-Player to "Who the Hell IS this Guy?" is a remarkable admirable career track. He's not a superstar, but he's very close to giving the Wiz three legit stars if he keeps up his current pace.
I know you are just dying for me to write about my favorite advanced metrics in the NBA. Well, VORP, Value Over Replacement Player, (the equivalent of WAR in MLB). Also, Win Shares per 48 minutes and Box Score Plus/Minus. Basically, they are three composite stats that attempt to tell you: Who are the best overall players in the NBA. The Super-Duper-Stars always leap to the top. What the heck is Otto doing up there with these legendary guys, even if it's early season? Porter currently ranks 13th, 15th and 9th in those categories -- the highest of any Wizard. Can he stay that good? Can he really have DeMarcus Cousins-level value -- although accumulated with a totally different style game? Porter's also SECOND in the NBA in Effective Field Goal Percentage (.664) which is insane. He's seventh in the NBA in steals and fifth-best at avoiding turnovers. He is exceptional at EVERYTHING YOU DON'T NOTICE. Yes, I'll write about him at more length soon. That's the big piece of Wizard good news -- especially if he keeps it up.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 13, 2017 16:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 13, 2017 16:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 15, 2017 22:39:32 GMT -5
Otto with a double double, 12 and 13. Jeff with 13 and 7. Both in wins.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 16, 2017 1:23:32 GMT -5
Otto with a double double, 12 and 13. Jeff with 13 and 7. Both in wins.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 16, 2017 9:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 16, 2017 10:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2017 23:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 17, 2017 8:12:26 GMT -5
GO LJ! He looked healthy and great in those highlights!
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 17, 2017 9:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 17, 2017 20:07:52 GMT -5
The Wizards are colder than the weather, actually colder than the weather in the deep winter as they scored 29 points in the first half and that is at home. Otto is the high scorer for the Wiz with 6 points. Wall has yet to score.
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