rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 3, 2015 13:23:29 GMT -5
Otto has not been particularly productive on offense, especially given the minutes he receives. He's actually been extremely efficient everywhere but from 3. And until these past few weeks (recent Wiz slump) he was shooting 70%+ at the rim and almost 90% at the line.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 3, 2015 14:27:46 GMT -5
Stinker of a game at Verizon as the Wizards lost to the lowly Lakers with Roy scoring 2 and Otto 8. Meanwhile Mr. Consistency, Hollis, scored in double figures again as the 76ers started another losing streak. Hollis played well against Kobe the other night, too.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 3, 2015 14:41:54 GMT -5
Stinker of a game at Verizon as the Wizards lost to the lowly Lakers with Roy scoring 2 and Otto 8. Meanwhile Mr. Consistency, Hollis, scored in double figures again as the 76ers started another losing streak. Hollis played well against Kobe the other night, too. I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Otto needs to up his 3 pt shooting. He has been pretty terrific in other facets of the game, but so much of what makes the Wiz go is converting open 3s and Otto isn't holding up his end of the bargain on that front. I'd also like to see the type of defensive performance from him that he gave DeRozan in last season's playoffs.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 3, 2015 14:56:06 GMT -5
As both a Laker and Hoya fan, I hate to do so, but I have to agree with you Brasky. It just doesn't look like he has "it" anymore. Maybe his time in LA will allow him to transition to a great acting career . Kidding aside, he probably has a few years left playing overseas. A ton of teams would love to have a 7'2'' NBA all-star. Hollis played well against Kobe the other night, too. I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Otto needs to up his 3 pt shooting. He has been pretty terrific in other facets of the game, but so much of what makes the Wiz go is converting open 3s and Otto isn't holding up his end of the bargain on that front. I'd also like to see the type of defensive performance from him that he gave DeRozan in last season's playoffs.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2015 15:16:19 GMT -5
Hollis played well against Kobe the other night, too. I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Disagree. Roy is 28. The Kobe Farewell Tour is a bad situation.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 3, 2015 18:47:27 GMT -5
As both a Laker and Hoya fan, I hate to do so, but I have to agree with you Brasky. It just doesn't look like he has "it" anymore. Maybe his time in LA will allow him to transition to a great acting career . Kidding aside, he probably has a few years left playing overseas. A ton of teams would love to have a 7'2'' NBA all-star. I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Otto needs to up his 3 pt shooting. He has been pretty terrific in other facets of the game, but so much of what makes the Wiz go is converting open 3s and Otto isn't holding up his end of the bargain on that front. I'd also like to see the type of defensive performance from him that he gave DeRozan in last season's playoffs. He has a couple of seasons left overseas? Prone to hyperbole much?
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 3, 2015 20:53:37 GMT -5
I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Disagree. Roy is 28. The Kobe Farewell Tour is a bad situation. As a fellow Laker/Hoya fan, I'm a bit on both sides of this issue. In Roy's defense, on offense the Lakers almost never look for him - Kobe was actually an occasional exception - but now that Kobe has decided to take 50 shots a game and go out in a blaze of "glory," even that will cease. On the other hand, Kobe will miss 40 of those 50 shots each game, so there will be many offensive rebound opportunities to be had. Roy was brought in to get boards and play defense, and while he's had a few 10 rebound games, there have been too many games, as there were with the Pacers, where he'll play 25 minutes and get two rebounds. That just won't cut it. Julius Randle had 19 rebounds last night. I believe Roy had 3, and I don't think it was because he was boxing out so Julius could grab all the boards.
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Post by bicentennial on Dec 3, 2015 20:56:43 GMT -5
At 28 and 7'2" he should have 5-10 more years in the league. The question is whether it will be as a starter with a big contract or off the bench at a reserve salary. I suspect he has at least a few more years as a starter somewhere before the NBA is no longer willing to risk paying him a starter salary. For now I suspect he just needs to settle in somewhere and get comfortable. Given his stint on Parks and Recreation, I would think he might eventually get comfortable in LA.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 3, 2015 21:08:25 GMT -5
I think Roy is washed up. Sorry to say it. Glad he got that big contract when he did. He's a talented and smart guy, so he's got a bright future ahead of himself when he decides to move on from the League. Disagree. Roy is 28. The Kobe Farewell Tour is a bad situation. Yeah I agree that Roy is in a horrible situation with the Kobe farewell circus tour and the fact that the team is trying to develop the young kids plus how he is used i.e. his role and offensive usage. He is getting about 5 fg attempts a game. Extremely hard for anyone to be success offensively or defensively for that matter with the make up and all the different situations this laker team and organization is going through.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Dec 3, 2015 21:23:49 GMT -5
I'm in LA and watch a ton of Lakers games. I have no problem with Roy just being about rebounds, defense, and blocks (doing very well in the latter category) nowadays. He's also been useful setting picks on the perimeter for guys like Kobe, Clarkson, and Young to get clean looks. I think that's his best game right now-- focusing on those kinds of things. When he gets the ball and goes into one of his low post moves (granted, not often), his legs sometimes get tangled up and he ends up throwing up a really awkward, off-balance shot. The Lakers don't need another guy calling for the ball out there, anyway. They need people to do things the right way and contribute. Roy can do that for them. Too bad the team is beyond awful. Talk about zero chemistry.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 3, 2015 21:34:45 GMT -5
Stinker of a game at Verizon as the Wizards lost to the lowly Lakers with Roy scoring 2 and Otto 8. Meanwhile Mr. Consistency, Hollis, scored in double figures again as the 76ers started another losing streak. Hollis played well against Kobe the other night, too. That's "young, unknown Hollis Thompson."
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Post by bmartin on Dec 3, 2015 23:05:23 GMT -5
Roy is the MVP of the Lakers. He is the only defensive player on the whole team, single-handedly is preventing them from giving up 120+ points every night, and the only consistently effective offensive play they have is Roy setting a screen. When Roy is in the game, it becomes a jump shooting contest, which is usually not in the Lakers favor, but it is better than the lay-ups, dunks, and free throws they give up when he is not in the game. And if you watch the games, Roy really does focus on blocking out his man and lets his teammates get the rebounds. Roy did that at Georgetown and Indiana as well. But also when he is contesting shots on one end and setting high screens on the other, he is not going to be in great rebounding position.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 3, 2015 23:31:15 GMT -5
I love Roy,as most of us do. However, he does NOT get enough rebounds, especially for a guy who barely scores. I understand the concept that he is out looking for blocks. That may reduce the number of boards, but he should be getting more than 6.8 per game. Guys like Drummond and even Whiteside at Miami get lots of blocks AND lots of rebounds. Will be real interesting to see what kind of contract he gets next year, especially with the league going small, more and more.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 3, 2015 23:33:57 GMT -5
Iverson texted Kobe about his retirementAllen Iverson wrote to the Lakers star, in part: "To the Mamba, one of your biggest fans here. To the top competitor, with the biggest heart. You brought so much out of me like no other player ever has. ... There will never, ever be another Kobe Bryant. I love you bro and good luck to you." I hope Kobe texted back that there will never, EVER be another Allen Iverson. If that's true of Kobe, it's 10 times more true of AI.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 4, 2015 9:37:33 GMT -5
I love Roy,as most of us do. However, he does NOT get enough rebounds, especially for a guy who barely scores. I understand the concept that he is out looking for blocks. That may reduce the number of boards, but he should be getting more than 6.8 per game. Guys like Drummond and even Whiteside at Miami get lots of blocks AND lots of rebounds. Will be real interesting to see what kind of contract he gets next year, especially with the league going small, more and more. I see defensive rebounding as a team stat more than an individual stat. Julius Randle was able to get 19 rebounds Wednesday night in part because Roy was consistently blocking out Gortat, the only offensive rebounder on the Wizards. Randle also is always in good defensive rebounding position because he never helps on defense. When Roy has to hedge or switch on a pick and roll dribbler/shooter, the rest of the Lakers just stand there and watch a lob to the rim for a dunk. Fortunately for the Lakers, a lot of NBA guards would rather try to shoot over Roy than pass the ball, so there are defensive rebounds to be had. Roy plays better than his stats. Drummond's stats are better than he is. Roy puts up better stats when he plays Drummond and other centers who camp out on the block than when he plays small ball teams. One of the Lakers other wins this season was against the Pistons. When they were on the court together, Roy put up 12 & 7 while Drummond had 9 & 13 with a lot more touches.
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Post by canissaxa on Dec 4, 2015 10:11:33 GMT -5
Roy is the MVP of the Lakers. He is the only defensive player on the whole team, single-handedly is preventing them from giving up 120+ points every night, and the only consistently effective offensive play they have is Roy setting a screen. When Roy is in the game, it becomes a jump shooting contest, which is usually not in the Lakers favor, but it is better than the lay-ups, dunks, and free throws they give up when he is not in the game. And if you watch the games, Roy really does focus on blocking out his man and lets his teammates get the rebounds. Roy did that at Georgetown and Indiana as well. But also when he is contesting shots on one end and setting high screens on the other, he is not going to be in great rebounding position. Huh. I thought this was extreme, but I just looked at the real plus minus leaderboard and Roy is the top Laker on it -- at 70 in the league and not tremendously closely followed by other Laker starters. Meta World Peace is #83 and Robert Sacre is #124 and Tarik Black is #151. Seems like anyone who plays a bit of defense for the Lakers makes them a better team from a plus / minus perspective. espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPMOn the other hand, those posters that point out that Roy is beginning to decline from NBA starter value have a point as well. Roy is #23 in the center list--bottom half of the starters. espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/9 Position of scarcity and clearly being on the Lakers doesn't do him any favors, so doubt he bounces out of the league for sure but very likely to become first big off the bench within 2-3 years pending finding another ideal situation like he had in Indiana--which will become harder to find with the small ball revolution.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 4, 2015 10:17:47 GMT -5
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 4, 2015 11:02:33 GMT -5
Roy is the MVP of the Lakers. He is the only defensive player on the whole team, single-handedly is preventing them from giving up 120+ points every night, and the only consistently effective offensive play they have is Roy setting a screen. When Roy is in the game, it becomes a jump shooting contest, which is usually not in the Lakers favor, but it is better than the lay-ups, dunks, and free throws they give up when he is not in the game. And if you watch the games, Roy really does focus on blocking out his man and lets his teammates get the rebounds. Roy did that at Georgetown and Indiana as well. But also when he is contesting shots on one end and setting high screens on the other, he is not going to be in great rebounding position. Huh. I thought this was extreme, but I just looked at the real plus minus leaderboard and Roy is the top Laker on it -- at 70 in the league and not tremendously closely followed by other Laker starters. Meta World Peace is #83 and Robert Sacre is #124 and Tarik Black is #151. Seems like anyone who plays a bit of defense for the Lakers makes them a better team from a plus / minus perspective. espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPMOn the other hand, those posters that point out that Roy is beginning to decline from NBA starter value have a point as well. Roy is #23 in the center list--bottom half of the starters. espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/9 Position of scarcity and clearly being on the Lakers doesn't do him any favors, so doubt he bounces out of the league for sure but very likely to become first big off the bench within 2-3 years pending finding another ideal situation like he had in Indiana--which will become harder to find with the small ball revolution. So, just to clarify - my initial post wasn't meant to imply he's done in the League. Just that he may be playing for the league vet minimum or something close to it from here on out. He's got defensive value, undoubtedly, but his offense is, and has been, a mess for the past few years. It doesn't help that he looks a step slower this year, as compared to his prime years with indiana. there is a reason indy gave him away for a second rounder
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 4, 2015 17:07:48 GMT -5
I think (like many) he needs the right situation. Indy was a good situation for him.
Now, he needs to be in the east. Away from small ball.
He was a "lebron stopper" in a way. Frankly, lebron winning the championship will help him I think.
Would love to see him with a good coach though.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 4, 2015 19:49:16 GMT -5
I think (like many) he needs the right situation. Indy was a good situation for him. Now, he needs to be in the east. Away from small ball. He was a "lebron stopper" in a way. Frankly, lebron winning the championship will help him I think. Would love to see him with a good coach though. He's not with a good coach now, but he was with a good coach in Indy.
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