EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2015 11:57:53 GMT -5
One of his biggest negatives is that he's a ball dominant kid, playing in JT3's system will teach him how to play/be effective without the ball in his hands.. I look at that one differently Etomic. To me, his ball handling and his ability to lead a team - as a true PG - are positives (not negatives), as is the fact that JT3 knows this and is actively recruiting him. Rather than changing Nigel's game, his arrival could change JT3's offense... change, as in "evolve". Our offense has been changing over the years, but we have never had the dominant PG like other teams to lead the Hoyas. We've had Wallace, and Wright and Starks, but we never had a Kemba Walker, for example. Is that because JT3 couldn't recruit one? Or because he didn't want one? Our team and offense could benefit signficantly from a floor leader like Nigel. And he could benefit from playing for a high profile team with all the pieces except PG. GU may not be in a Power 5 conference, but we still have a pretty high profile and visibility when it comes to College Hoops. With Nigel, we are more likely to make serious runs at the BE conference title, the BET title and the NCAA tournament. This one feels like a long shot, but one well worth pursuing. I think it would be a huge boost to the program to get even one year of Nigel leading the team. I think JT3 is recruiting him because he's a very good player, not because he wants a Kemba Walker type.. Honestly why would the staff want to change up the offense when they finally have the players to run it properly? I want NGW because he'd be a veteran player on a team built to win in 2016, as opposed to having a freshman kid out there trying to learn a new system as well as adjust to college ball.. I'd bet that's the staff's take as well.. I do agree that playing at G'town will give him much better exposure than UNLV can/will..
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 13, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -5
Is anybody seriously arguing that if Mourning chose to pay his own way next year he would still be considered a counter and his scholarship wouldn't be available for another recruit? Forget Drummond and just remember Doug McDermott. Whether he should or needs to or wants is another matter, but let's stop debating it. It's clear that scholarships are year to year and that scholarship players can become walk ons the following year and open up the scholarships for other recruits. The counter thing is really to prevent 1/2 scholarships and maybe for transfers. Yes. Also, are you seriously arguing that Georgetown, with JT2 still alive and JT3 in charge, is ever going to boot a scholarship player (son of a past player or not)? You know that would never happen. No way. In a million years, I wouldn't think that happens (regardless of whose son it is). And I really hope they wouldn't quite honestly. My guess is that it would be something that Zo MAY have offered and/or JT3 MAY have spoken to him about in case scholarships become a crunch. Zo wouldn't owe it to us by any means, but as somebody really involved with the program and on the board, it isn't unthinkable that he would offer it either. Also, who's to say there won't be a transfer? My point is really not to worry about lack of scholarships for next year. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 15:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 13, 2015 15:15:09 GMT -5
Is Josh flying away in that pic?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 13, 2015 15:20:29 GMT -5
My point is really not to worry about lack of scholarships for next year. That's all. That part I agree with. Somehow schollies always work out. But Zo Jr. losing his schollie? ain't happenin! Zo is a member of the GU board of trustees. HOF. Hoya Royalty. And I believe JT3 and staff think Trey will contribute at some point.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 13, 2015 16:22:00 GMT -5
I look at that one differently Etomic. To me, his ball handling and his ability to lead a team - as a true PG - are positives (not negatives), as is the fact that JT3 knows this and is actively recruiting him. Rather than changing Nigel's game, his arrival could change JT3's offense... change, as in "evolve". Our offense has been changing over the years, but we have never had the dominant PG like other teams to lead the Hoyas. We've had Wallace, and Wright and Starks, but we never had a Kemba Walker, for example. Is that because JT3 couldn't recruit one? Or because he didn't want one? Our team and offense could benefit signficantly from a floor leader like Nigel. And he could benefit from playing for a high profile team with all the pieces except PG. GU may not be in a Power 5 conference, but we still have a pretty high profile and visibility when it comes to College Hoops. With Nigel, we are more likely to make serious runs at the BE conference title, the BET title and the NCAA tournament. This one feels like a long shot, but one well worth pursuing. I think it would be a huge boost to the program to get even one year of Nigel leading the team. I think JT3 is recruiting him because he's a very good player, not because he wants a Kemba Walker type.. Honestly why would the staff want to change up the offense when they finally have the players to run it properly? I want NGW because he'd be a veteran player on a team built to win in 2016, as opposed to having a freshman kid out there trying to learn a new system as well as adjust to college ball.. I'd bet that's the staff's take as well.. I do agree that playing at G'town will give him much better exposure than UNLV can/will.. He's not ball-dominant at all. Not even close. Not sure what even made you say that. If anything, he shared the ball too much at Washington
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 13, 2015 16:50:47 GMT -5
He's not ball-dominant at all. Not even close. Not sure what even made you say that. If anything, he shared the ball too much at Washington Daytona...how would you describe Nigel's game and what you think he can bring to GU? I am guessing/assuming he is a first class, lead PG. A guy with a great handle and understanding of the game who can get the rest of his team involved, get them easy buckets. He also sounds like a kid who can play serious D. We haven't had such a player during JT3's years at GU. At least, that's how he's been described to me and what I am hoping for. A PG who can come in and lead the team right out of the gate. Given the talent who will surround him - Maybe Copeland, definitely Peak, White, Govan, Derrickson, Agau... maybe Johnson contributes and whomever else we bring in for 2016.... there will be a strong team for him to lead. Thanks in advance for taking the time to share your thoughts.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 13, 2015 17:40:10 GMT -5
I think JT3 is recruiting him because he's a very good player, not because he wants a Kemba Walker type.. Honestly why would the staff want to change up the offense when they finally have the players to run it properly? I want NGW because he'd be a veteran player on a team built to win in 2016, as opposed to having a freshman kid out there trying to learn a new system as well as adjust to college ball.. I'd bet that's the staff's take as well.. I do agree that playing at G'town will give him much better exposure than UNLV can/will.. He's not ball-dominant at all. Not even close. Not sure what even made you say that. If anything, he shared the ball too much at Washington Went off the article on the 2nd page of this thread where it was insinuated heavily that his teammates didn't like playing with him.. There's also a link to someone else saying that NWG was a big reason why Aaron Gordon didn't want to go to Washington, he thought he dribbled too much.. To be honest I'm just looking for reasons playing at G'town can help him.. The only game I saw him play since HS was the Arizona game in February this year, he was awful shooting the ball but played well in other areas..
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 13, 2015 18:13:06 GMT -5
He's not ball-dominant at all. Not even close. Not sure what even made you say that. If anything, he shared the ball too much at Washington Went off the article on the 2nd page of this thread where it was insinuated heavily that his teammates didn't like playing with him.. There's also a link to someone else saying that NWG was a big reason why Aaron Gordon didn't want to go to Washington, he thought he dribbled too much.. To be honest I'm just looking for reasons playing at G'town can help him.. The only game I saw him play since HS was the Arizona game in February this year, he was awful shooting the ball but played well in other areas.. That article sounded like pure speculation on the part of those around the program looking for answers so I'd take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 13, 2015 18:14:37 GMT -5
He's not ball-dominant at all. Not even close. Not sure what even made you say that. If anything, he shared the ball too much at Washington Went off the article on the 2nd page of this thread where it was insinuated heavily that his teammates didn't like playing with him.. There's also a link to someone else saying that NWG was a big reason why Aaron Gordon didn't want to go to Washington, he thought he dribbled too much.. To be honest I'm just looking for reasons playing at G'town can help him.. The only game I saw him play since HS was the Arizona game in February this year, he was awful shooting the ball but played well in other areas.. I didn't see the article. But the way he plays, he's not ball dominant. He's not a great long range shooter, but he is a great mid-range shooter. Plus, he lives in the lane, he's a great passer and he's got great size for a point guard. There's a ton wrong with that Washington program, especially at the top, so I wouldn't be shocked at all if overall chemistry was an issue
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:11:34 GMT -5
If he makes it, I like our chances
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 14, 2015 12:21:45 GMT -5
If he makes it, I like our chances I agree Yaboy.. I know I'm biased but G'town has the best roster to offer Goss of the schools on this list.. Even if Copes blows up and bolts, the roster will still be loaded/experienced going into 2016-17.. Plus coming east will be a completely different learning experience for the young man.. It'd be nice if Josh reaches out to him seeing that he's a west coast kid who seemed to enjoy his time in DC..
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Post by CaliHoya on Apr 14, 2015 12:42:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty wary of Shaka's recruiting ability now that he's at a major school. If we pull Goss, it'd probably be our most contested recruiting win in a very long time.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 14, 2015 13:03:05 GMT -5
I'm pretty wary of Shaka's recruiting ability now that he's at a major school. If we pull Goss, it'd probably be our most contested recruiting win in a very long time. Goss has said roster make up matters, Texas will have young bigs at best starting in 2016-17 season unless you like Shaquille Cleare a lot..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 13:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 14, 2015 18:23:12 GMT -5
Go get him! I already like saying "NWG" almost as much as "DSR"
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Post by footahh on Apr 16, 2015 9:40:15 GMT -5
As long as our in-home visit goes well, I feel surprisingly ok about this one. He's been through the recruiting process before and isn't in a rush so I expect him to take all of his visits and go from there, and if he makes it on campus, having the last visit is definitely an advantage. However, Shaka and UNLV both offer something different than us and I think this will come down to more of what NWG wants in a school rather than how well the staff closes.
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Post by doublehoya0310 on Apr 16, 2015 9:42:31 GMT -5
Any reports on how his visits to Texas and Providence went?
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 16, 2015 10:17:36 GMT -5
Any reports on how his visits to Texas and Providence went? I don't think they've happened yet. Seems like "Tuesday" meant next Tuesday, the 21st.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 17, 2015 10:44:55 GMT -5
Big new commitment for UNLV in Class of 2015 Center Stephen Zimmerman...huge for Dave Rice in advance of NWG's visit this weekend.
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